666 nautical miles between the Kaaba and Jerusalem

[Onoma]

" How many units did you have to try before you found one that fit ? '


None, I started with nautical miles and examined them long before I even looked at the Kaaba

Why ?

Because I write and study mathematical forensics and this takes you to Sumer and base 60 mathematics and base 60 conventions, one of which happens to be nautical miles

Next question

 

[Onoma]

" How often do you think we would find combinations with interesting results based on random chance alone ? "

Well, first off " interesting ' is a subjective term, and unless you have training in mathematics, talking about " interesting math " is pointless, because 99% of what people find " interesting " about mathematics, is actually trivial { in the strict mathematical sense of the defined word " trivial " } and not " interesting " at all to a trained mathematician

Your question is of a combinatoric nature and to really answer it you would have to formulate in a more clear manner { it's a very vague question } that could be plugged into existing formulas to easily answer it

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

" How many units did you have to try before you found one that fit ? '


None, I started with nautical miles and examined them long before I even looked at the Kaaba

Why ?

Because I write and study mathematical forensics and this takes you to Sumer and base 60 mathematics and base 60 conventions, one of which happens to be nautical miles

Next question

Maybe for your next question, you can answer the other half of this question that you ignored the first time.

 

[Onoma]

I did actually, address your question

Feel free to formulate the question you asked so it can actually be plugged into a formula

or, alternately start a thread on combinatorics and we can talk about " random chance " and " probabilities " and "
standard deviations " and " distributions " and such, I'd be glad to

 

[Onoma]

Also, you guys seem to be trying to overlook the major and minor axis of the Kaaba

cough

66.6 degrees from the ecliptic

Its major (long) axis is aligned with the rising of the star Canopus toward which its southern wall is directed, while its minor axis (its east-west facades) roughly align with the sunrise of summer solstice and the sunset of winter solstice

that''s " axial tilt " for those of you who are unfamiliar with astronomy

It's the reason earth has seasons

Ancient astronomers were well antiquated with mathematical astronomy, it's where the problem of quadrature originated

Yeah

 

[Parsimony]

Even if the distance is in fact 666 miles and even if it was intentional, so what?

 

[Onoma]

there's nothing unscientific about it, and there's no woo numerology { although feel free to try and explain where " numerology / gematria " originates, you'll find you end up in ancient Sumer }

And base 60 mathematics in the ancient world was quite mathematically rigorous as units like nautical miles were fundamental to ancient metrology

Feel free to prove me wrong

 

[Onoma]

Even if the distance is in fact 666 miles and even if it was intentional, so what?

OK, first off, we should establish it's not 666 miles, it's approximately 666 nautical miles, and this is my fault for not putting the notation in the title

You guys were off and running with your Google skills and I should have just put " ~ " in front of the 666 and all the attempts at refuting my statement would have crumbled just like that, lol

But now that we have established it's actually ~ 666 nautical miles because of the inability pinpoint precise locations of the original objects

The reason the Kaaba is this distance and angle { hello ?} is because whoever built it was aware of a series of mathematical structures known from ancient Sumer that provided the basis for the Bible

Surely you know the character of Abraham was said to have built it the Kaaba, and Abraham was according to many ancient traditions, schooled in mathematical astronomy in Babylonia

That would be the exact same topic we are discussing here { mathematical astronomy }

The series of structures was what was used to write the Torah in Babylon, and the " numerology / gematria " they used to write it is the same thing that Newton came close to cracking { but failed, unlike me }

In other words, the location of the Kaaba, and it's orientation encode the knowledge of this information that was used to write the Torah, which in turn was based strictly on mathematical astronomy that was in turn considered " sacred " in ancient Mesopotamia because of some mathematical structures in the digits of Pi that ancient Sumerians took as mathematical proof that humanity and the universe were designed by a creator

This was fragmented by the time of Greek and Arab mathematicians, only making small appearance in Plato's Republic { Plato's number } and in the Greek Antikythera mechanism used to calculate movements in the Three Body system like the Saros [ eclipse cycle } which was in turn based on the mathematical structures in Pi that were embedded objects allowing celestial calculations

That's " so what "

 

[Sapiens]

 

[Onoma]

See, I've seen these things before, and they look neat, but are completely mathematically unrigorous in the presentation

I did play around with the so-called " magic square ", but my personal discovery was that it was actually digit products of the terms in the square relating to mathematics of astronomy that may have offered any sort of interest to ancient mathematicians { as mathematical objects like this could be used like tools }

Magic squares are trivial, mathematically speaking { easy to derive }

 

[Onoma]

Btw, this diagram I posted earlier is related to the other thread I had started to post { you know that one }

which happens to date back to the earliest mathematical astronomy in Sumer, actually dating to pre-logogram times when pictographs were still used

this is when the pentagram was used to represent " UB " in Sumer, the four regions

Maybe it's time to shed to whole belief structure based on microchip implants in the forehead, numerology, and subjective interpretations and egregores like " the devil " and the pentagram and " 666 ' , and instead transition into a society based on pure math and peer based review ?

maybe something that revolves around actual established study of math and languages ?

Just thinking outloud, and if anybody would actually like to address sura 27 (An-Naml), I'd love to hear what you think

" And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs "

— Qur'an

You may have seen that before......perhaps on this thread ?

{ Popcorn in hand }

 

[Onoma]

I mean, after all, " signs " are what the Bible also says will occur { in the sky } , and if you examine the mathematical basis for gematria { as per my earlier statements }

You find that the mathematics of what you call ' numerology ' is based on just that

the math required to describe the " signs in the sky "

this is the reasoning behind the use of " numerology " in the Bible

You know even Isaac Newton couldn't discover what you are looking at ?

 

[DawudTalut]

My wife calls 668 "the neighbor of the beast".

There is 0.24 too !

 

[Jumi]

@Onoma What, if any, significance would it have for you if the distance were around 666 nautical miles?

 

[morphesium]

" According to Islamic resources, Kaaba is the oldest house of Lord on earth "

Well, there are many " Kaaba " { cube } left from earlier religions and civilizations, actually, if we want to be comprehensive

also, the Kaaba in Quran has many names



Also, since mathematical forensics and ancient languages are actually my forte, I'd like to point out this congruence between your Kaaba and the mathematics of the Bible and the topic of this thread

Please continue

Is that you are saying there is approx. an angular separation of 11degrees and 1minute (666 nautical miles) between the Kaaba and Jerusalem.

1 +2 +3+ ...... ........... ..... +72 +73 = .2701
165+166+ 167+168 = 666.

even if it is 666, 2701 or 787 or 380, what difference does it make? what is the relevance?

 

[Onoma]

Lol, just a day or two ago you were trying to make me look like a fool for even mentioning such a thing, before you knew I study math { pretty much for a living, actually }

My only intent here is to help people shed misconceptions they have about their religions

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The relevance of my posting ?

OK..., let's address the sura I posted, shall we ?

sura 27 (An-Naml),

" And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs "

— Qur'an



signs

See how the below panel shows you the math that is required for the " signs " { in the sky }

Good, I'm glad you see that, here's why:


The 666th letter in the Torah is the Vav in the word " seasons " in Genesis 1:14

" And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


We have " seasons " because of what ?

" For seasons and for signs " ~ Genesis 1:14

" He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs " ~ sura 27 (An-Naml)



This is, of course, based on some mathematical structure discovered in the ancient world { This thread subject is actually tied into my other thread }


The whole reason they are talking about " signs in the sky "

, again, not trying to be rude, but you guys seem not to be paying attention to what I am saying or presenting, so I will only repeat myself a limited number of times


As I mentioned in the other thread, ancient mathematical astronomers discovered this set of structures in the digits of Pi

Here I have prepared a very simple proof of this { anybody with the math skills of a grade schooler can grasp this }

Note the congruence to the classical eclipse year equation ?

This , above, was the basis of the " seven day " creation account { and all ancient metrology }, it was not some willy nilly chosen system

Point here ?

Abraham supposedly built the Kaaba

Abraham was supposedly from Ur { Of the Chaldees }

He was was, according to tradition, educated in the exact subjects presented on this thread { mathematical astronomy }

Regardless of whether he was even a real person, or whether or not he was responsible for the building of the original Kaaba, the Chaldeans are well known to have been rigorous astronomers in Babylonia and everything presented on this thread is the exact same things that they would have known, including axial tilt, nautical miles, Saros eclipse cycles, intercalation, etc

Is there something unclear about what I am presenting ?

The Quran and the Bible both speak of a " beast from the earth "

Do you happen to know where the first " earth " is in the Bible ?

...just curious

 

[rosends]

I'm enjoying watching this show. I enjoy seeing the mistakes/contradictions in the big jpeg you keep posting. I even enjoyed your mistaken translation of the Genesis text. And I really like how you contradicted something you said on the other thread (you know the one...the one in which I challenged you but you decided not to answer me because you claimed, with no proof, that I didn't know what I was talking about http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...the-bible-contains.187168/page-5#post-4753483 ). I can't wait til you get to the part where you try to explain significance of a number which has no significance.

I could explain all your mistakes (some of them for the 3rd time) but you wouldn't respond. So don't sweat it. Carry on. I will try not to go too deep too fast.

 

[gnostic]

there's nothing unscientific about it, and there's no woo numerology { although feel free to try and explain where " numerology / gematria " originates, you'll find you end up in ancient Sumer }

And base 60 mathematics in the ancient world was quite mathematically rigorous as units like nautical miles were fundamental to ancient metrology

Feel free to prove me wrong

Sorry for nit-picking, but the Earth's orbit is not a perfect circle around the sun. It is not even a perfect oval.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Lol, just a day or two ago you were trying to make me look like a fool for even mentioning such a thing, before you knew I study math { pretty much for a living, actually }

My only intent here is to help people shed misconceptions they have about their religions

-------------------------------------------------------

The relevance of my posting ?

OK..., let's address the sura I posted, shall we ?

sura 27 (An-Naml),

" And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs "

— Qur'an



signs

See how the below panel shows you the math that is required for the " signs " { in the sky }

Good, I'm glad you see that, here's why:


The 666th letter in the Torah is the Vav in the word " seasons " in Genesis 1:14

" And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


We have " seasons " because of what ?

" For seasons and for signs " ~ Genesis 1:14

" He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs " ~ sura 27 (An-Naml)



This is, of course, based on some mathematical structure discovered in the ancient world { This thread subject is actually tied into my other thread }


The whole reason they are talking about " signs in the sky "

, again, not trying to be rude, but you guys seem not to be paying attention to what I am saying or presenting, so I will only repeat myself a limited number of times


As I mentioned in the other thread, ancient mathematical astronomers discovered this set of structures in the digits of Pi

Here I have prepared a very simple proof of this { anybody with the math skills of a grade schooler can grasp this }

Note the congruence to the classical eclipse year equation ?

This , above, was the basis of the " seven day " creation account { and all ancient metrology }, it was not some willy nilly chosen system

Point here ?

Abraham supposedly built the Kaaba

Abraham was supposedly from Ur { Of the Chaldees }

He was was, according to tradition, educated in the exact subjects presented on this thread { mathematical astronomy }

Regardless of whether he was even a real person, or whether or not he was responsible for the building of the original Kaaba, the Chaldeans are well known to have been rigorous astronomers in Babylonia and everything presented on this thread is the exact same things that they would have known, including axial tilt, nautical miles, Saros eclipse cycles, intercalation, etc

Is there something unclear about what I am presenting ?

The Quran and the Bible both speak of a " beast from the earth "

Do you happen to know where the first " earth " is in the Bible ?

...just curious

Seems like the Rube Goldberg approach to pareidolia, IMO.

 

[Onoma]

Sorry for nit-picking, but the Earth's orbit is not a perfect circle around the sun. It is not even a perfect oval.

Well, that's just silly, the problem of quadrature has nothing to do with elliptical orbits

But, in your defense, you just got tripped up on what tripped up Isaac Newton as well { For 14 years }, so don't feel bad, you are ahead of most folks