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How does your faith rationalize god allowing the existence of evil, death, and suffering?

muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Could you please give an example of a ' set up ' topic associated with dogma ?
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That's easy .. your replies consist of 'cherry picked' Bible quotes .. this is typical JW practise on the internet in ascerting their sectarian view is correct.
I would like to see a discussion on the topic that was based on CHAPTERS of scripture, and NOT just be bombarded with cherry picked individual verses
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
muhammad_isa said:
That's easy .. your replies consist of 'cherry picked' Bible quotes .. this is typical JW practise on the internet in ascerting their sectarian view is correct.
I would like to see a discussion on the topic that was based on CHAPTERS of scripture, and NOT just be bombarded with cherry picked individual verses
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Explain them then.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
firedragon said:
No. Oldest Quran is not complete. It's two pages from two different chapters in Birmingham. Radio carbon dating dates it earliest 580 and latest 643 with 93% accuracy. If contamination is considered and another analysis is used like tree ring it will have a maximum of a 21 year difference. Maximum which is impossible. Also there is a larger portion of the same manuscript I France. Confirmed.

I'm on the phone so I might get this wrong but it's the 18th and 21st chapters. Which means the rest should have been there. Depending on the order of revelation there are 60 chapters prior to the 18th chapter.

It's the hijack script. Arguments against it are bias because some clerics want to propose the importance of a hadith.

Now could you please provide some insight into my queries on the issue of reliability of the Bible without reverting with questions about the Quran. It's a cop-out.

Also you keep avoiding the papyrus. Which papyrus do you look at? Your claim.
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Yes I don't on the copies, and I say I am trying to get logos bible software, but I can't drop 4gs so I'm patiently waiting.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Ok.
I am not a trinitarian so why would I put my full confidence in him. When facts are presented I will take not of it.
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You are not a trinitarian, but you are arguing of God being in Jesus?

Or what?
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
Yes I don't on the copies, and I say I am trying to get logos bible software, but I can't drop 4gs so I'm patiently waiting.
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That doesn't have anything to do with the papyrus you read. Which one? If you can't answer it's okay. Say that you made a mistake and you have not looked at a papyrus. But just be honest.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
I cannot answer all of those obviously because some I will respond and you know the answer to. As I said before I am currently looking at the research.
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Just tell me. If you don't know the answers to those questions how can you deem the Bible reliable? Blind faith? How could you go propagating the Bible?
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
firedragon said:
Just tell me. If you don't know the answers to those questions how can you deem the Bible reliable? Blind faith? How could you go propagating the Bible?
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Well you do bring a valid argument, but I will look into it.
The bible makes sense and does not give the tyrant image of other manuscripts.
1. God purposed everything good for us.
2. He never intended to test us
3. The suffering and death is easily explained
4. And hell fire is definite attribute of an evil god. If my son disobeyed me I would not throw him in a chamber of fire to be tortured forever. It makes no sense, why not just allow him to fall asleep in death.

Sheol, gehenna, hades,

These were names of greek gods originally, or they were used in a different manner.
But the common usage was Hades the common grave.
I am familiar with tartarus as well.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
You can go on calling it blind faith but I am sure you haven't heard everything against the Qur'an.
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You would be surprised.

What if I put it this way. I have read the Quran from cover to cover around 10 times by the time I was 9. In Arabic. That's only the beginning, I am only saying this because you underestimate people too much.

I would like to make honest exploration. And to be objective. I will not follow blindly. That's why I believe I was not a good Muslim till I reverted from sunrise and sectarian dogmas.

Cheers.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
P66 and p52
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Why do you look at them? Is there a point? They are so small. You can't gain any knowledge from them. Of course they are so dear findings because they are oldest. That's good for historic value and academic value but not for knowledge in the Bible. Unless you collate b against a for scriptural criticism or something. Do you know even in that tiniest p52 there is a textual variant?

Any way i would like to know why you quote p66 and p52 as revenue for you? What's the point?
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
Well you do bring a valid argument, but I will look into it.
The bible makes sense and does not give the tyrant image of other manuscripts.
1. God purposed everything good for us.
2. He never intended to test us
3. The suffering and death is easily explained
4. And hell fire is definite attribute of an evil god. If my son disobeyed me I would not throw him in a chamber of fire to be tortured forever. It makes no sense, why not just allow him to fall asleep in death.

Sheol, gehenna, hades,

These were names of greek gods originally, or they were used in a different manner.
But the common usage was Hades the common grave.
I am familiar with tartarus as well.
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Hades is mentioned in Matthew's. Isn't it funny that God reveals about a Greek God? Don't you see that it's a human cross belief?

Bible doesn't portray God as tyrant? Paul are you ignoring my posts?

God is a child killer in the Bible. He is a pubisher just to test us. He starves people to death as punishment and test. He commands murder of all women and children. Plunder.

What are you saying? This is why I asked you to read up on marcion remember?
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
Paul Chavez said:
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4. And hell fire is definite attribute of an evil god. If my son disobeyed me I would not throw him in a chamber of fire to be tortured forever. It makes no sense, why not just allow him to fall asleep in death.
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I tell you what, why don't we all commit suicide .. then we can all go to sleep forever (according to you) and there will be no more suffering. Does that make sense??
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
firedragon said:
Hades is mentioned in Matthew's. Isn't it funny that God reveals about a Greek God? Don't you see that it's a human cross belief?

Bible doesn't portray God as tyrant? Paul are you ignoring my posts?

God is a child killer in the Bible. He is a pubisher just to test us. He starves people to death as punishment and test. He commands murder of all women and children. Plunder.

What are you saying? This is why I asked you to read up on marcion remember?
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Brother lots of parts of the Bible are from Allah.

:)
 
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