[LHP only] What is left hand path?

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Interesting choice of staying silent, @Satans_Serrated_Edge ! If I remember correctly, you're an Order of Nine Angles type, yes? You really believe your sinister tradition would exist without the WLHP?

Wlhp is something you made up based on what seems to be a long line of misinterpretations, misunderstandings, assumptions and Imagineering.

So yes, I'm sure everyone would be just fine without all the armchair experts floating about. What a great world that would be.

As for you getting snippy about me not answering your innane question about my WordPress, it's twofold. First, as mentioned, the question is innane as it's linked at the bottom of each of my posts(more evidence you aren't really one for paying attention or reading closely I guess..as if we needed more lol. In other news water is still wet), and for two...you just aren't that important to me.

 

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Wlhp is something you made up based on what seems to be a long line of misinterpretations, misunderstandings, assumptions and Imagineering.

So yes, I'm sure everyone would be just fine without all the armchair experts floating about. What a great world that would be.

As for you getting snippy about me not answering your innane question about my WordPress, it's twofold. First, as mentioned, the question is innane as it's linked at the bottom of each of my posts(more evidence you aren't really one for paying attention or reading closely I guess..as if we needed more lol. In other news water is still wet), and for two...you just aren't that important to me.

Oh wow, I guess signatures don't show up on the Android, my bad! Anyways, I find your brand of dogmatic ignorance towards objective historical fact rather fascinating, as you don't see it much outside of the RHP. I'll check it out!

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

This is not true and "supernatural" is an incorrect word. The laws of nature never question themselves, humans however do, and the only species on this planet that has ever shown its ability on a profound level for abstract thought and invention are humans. These are aspects of our non-natural "nature".

Yet there isn't really a hard and fast line. Non human animals of various sorts do almost everything we do, from bury and revisit their dead(elephants), expressive language(dolphins, various primates, elephants, whales, parrots), build and create(primates, birds, too many to name).

I just read today of a baboon that lived in a zoo for many years next to the ocean, where people did spear fishing. They released the thing into the wild eventually and stuck a tracker on it. Some time later they returned to see it living in a group of baboons...all of them spear fishing.

We aren't so special.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Oh wow, I guess signatures don't show up on the Android, my bad! Anyways, I find your brand of dogmatic ignorance towards objective historical fact rather fascinating, as you don't see it much outside of the RHP. I'll check it out!

What is my dogma? Do tell.

Anyway, enjoy your read. Hopefully you learn something and these discussions can be more fruitful in the future.

 

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What is my dogma? Do tell.

Anyway, enjoy your read. Hopefully you learn something and these discussions can be more fruitful in the future.

Your dogma that you hold some monopoly on the LHP, that the WLHP which objectively exists in it's own right somehow doesn't exist, just cause that makes yours somehow more valid. Especially since you flaunt your ONA affiliation, a group entirely rooted in the WLHP.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is not true and "supernatural" is an incorrect word. The laws of nature never question themselves, humans however do, and the only species on this planet that has ever shown its ability on a profound level for abstract thought and invention are humans. These are aspects of our non-natural "nature".

As I said, if you want to believe in your form of creationism, that's your business, but there's no scientific evidence for it and it's not necessary to explain humanity. Setianism's views on this are just another manifestation of Western religion and philosophy's habit of arrogantly viewing humans as set apart and superior to the rest of nature, as opposed to the more animistic worldviews that predominate in pre-Abrahamic and indigenous religions. It gives us licence to rape the world, but our allowance for acting like smug children is running out.

Basically, humans need to get the **** over ourselves. We're not special. We're just animals, like all other animals. Eventually we won't be here. There's no evidence for deities, let alone deities interacting with humans and giving us "magical" powers, as Setians seem to think we have. If you want to believe that some entity tinkered about with some apes on this planet, go ahead. I don't really care. I think it's illogical, arrogant and silly, but that's your choice. It's the same with Christians, Muslims and others who make such claims.

Oh, and even if it did happen, that doesn't mean it was necessarily a good thing and Set/Prometheus/whatever you want to call it was being careless at best.

 

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As I said, if you want to believe in your form of creationism, that's your business, but there's no scientific evidence for it and it's not necessary to explain humanity. Setianism's views on this are just another manifestation of Western religion and philosophy's habit of arrogantly viewing humans as set apart and superior to the rest of nature, as opposed to the more animistic worldviews that predominate in pre-Abrahamic and indigenous religions. It gives us licence to rape the world, but our allowance for acting like smug children is running out.

Basically, humans need to get the **** over ourselves. We're not special. We're just animals, like all other animals. Eventually we won't be here. There's no evidence for deities, let alone deities interacting with humans and giving us "magical" powers, as Setians seem to think we have. If you want to believe that some entity tinkered about with some apes on this planet, go ahead. I don't really care. I think it's illogical, arrogant and silly, but that's your choice. It's the same with Christians, Muslims and others who make such claims.

Oh, and even if it did happen, that doesn't mean it was necessarily a good thing and Set/Prometheus/whatever you want to call it was being careless at best.

You have a very clear anti-human bias, and it's clouding your objectivity. As I've already explained, there is objective proof for the human mind being "unnatural" as understood by Setianism, which also shares the definition of "unnatural" give by the great god Google.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You have a very clear anti-human bias, and it's clouding your objectivity.

Of course I have an anti-human bias (I'm a misanthrope, but not out of hate, per se, just a great sense of disappointment and disdain), just as you have a pro-human bias. That aside, at least I'm not going against the scientific research into this matter.

As I've already explained, there is objective proof for the human mind being "unnatural" as understood by Setianism, which also shares the definition of "unnatural" give by the great god Google.

Semantics isn't "objective" proof.

 

[Sutekh]

On this topic, I just read "The Invention of Satanism" by Dyrenel, Lewis, and Petersen (2015). It's an awesome look into the creation of the WLHP starting in 1966 and half the book contains fascinating statistical data from practicing satanists, based on multiple surveys spanning a decade. Definitely worth the read!

Does the book explains many of the histories dating somewhat back, I have heard about many interesting organizations such as our lady of endor coven which was founded in 1948. The organization is dead though but if you look them up and its founder you will get little facts about them. Those are the links that I used to enjoy my reads on them, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Endor_Coven, http://www.angelfire.com/az3/synagogasatanae/sloane.html, Their beliefs are quite strange but you might find them interesting.

 

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Does the book explains many of the histories dating somewhat back, I have heard about many interesting organizations such as our lady of endor coven which was founded in 1948. The organization is dead though but if you look them up and its founder you will get little facts about them. Those are the links that I used to enjoy my reads on them, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Endor_Coven, http://www.angelfire.com/az3/synagogasatanae/sloane.html, Their beliefs are quite strange but you might find them interesting.

They were briefly covered as well as the brotherhood of Saturn.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Your dogma that you hold some monopoly on the LHP, that the WLHP which objectively exists in it's own right somehow doesn't exist, just cause that makes yours somehow more valid. Especially since you flaunt your ONA affiliation, a group entirely rooted in the WLHP.

Literally none of that is true.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Not a very convincing post. What are you trying to prove SSE?

Not trying to prove anything. I was only giving evidence as per my statement that there is no hard and fast line between human animals and other animals. We are all branches of the same tree, and it all makes perfect sense without adding some supernatural intervention that provides far more questions than answers.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not trying to prove anything. I was only giving evidence as per my statement that there is no hard and fast line between human animals and other animals. We are all branches of the same tree, and it all makes perfect sense without adding some supernatural intervention that provides far more questions than answers.

People just want to feel special.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

People just want to feel special.

You know, I really do believe that to be the most plausible explanation.

But the thing is, we already are. All life is. There is so much 'magic' to be found, and yet unfound, right here in this beautifully complex natural order, that it simply makes my eyes gloss over when people forgo that exploration for some easy answer fairy tale faith belief. It's a sort of intellectual..and perhaps even spiritual..suicide.

 

[1137]

People just want to feel special.

I'm curious why you want people to feel so low.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm curious why you want people to feel so low.

I never said that. I would like people to have a bigger view of the cosmos and life itself, though. I'm sick of human arrogance. We're only a tiny part of the whole and reality is much more mysterious and grand than we, and our largely stupid and small-minded religions, give it credit for. The universe is grand enough without introducing supernatural agents. The available evidence points towards the conclusion that the universe forms and perpetuates itself, and that includes organic life. What's the point of introducing supernatural deities that just complicate the matter and of which there is no evidence for? It's the same problem with the mainstream theistic religions. More questions than answers.

You could say we're special in some ways, but so is everything else. I'm special because I'm the only me there is. There is no other me out there and never will be another. Same as how my dog is special because there's only one of him, and will only ever be just one of him. Same with all other lifeforms. But eventually we're all swept away by time, and that's alright.

So feel special. But the problem is the perspective you approach it from.

 

[EtuMalku]

I never said that. I would like people to have a bigger view of the cosmos and life itself, though. I'm sick of human arrogance. We're only a tiny part of the whole and reality is much more mysterious and grand than we, and our largely stupid and small-minded religions, give it credit for. The universe is grand enough without introducing supernatural agents. The available evidence points towards the conclusion that the universe forms and perpetuates itself, and that includes organic life. What's the point of introducing supernatural deities that just complicate the matter and of which there is no evidence for? It's the same problem with the mainstream theistic religions. More questions than answers.

You could say we're special in some ways, but so is everything else. I'm special because I'm the only me there is. There is no other me out there and never will be another. Same as how my dog is special because there's only one of him, and will only ever be just one of him. Same with all other lifeforms. But eventually we're all swept away by time, and that's alright.

So feel special. But the problem is the perspective you approach it from.

I've stated this before but I will again . . .
By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an Isolate Intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

We Homo Sapiens are indeed different than all the other forms of life, I would go as far as say that we are even 'Special' in this regard

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I've stated this before but I will again . . .
By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an Isolate Intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

We Homo Sapiens are indeed different than all the other forms of life, I would go as far as say that we are even 'Special' in this regard

Why do you expect other species to end up like us when all species take different evolutionary paths? Hominids have proven to be very adaptable. (I mean Homo and all its sub-species.) We're able to survive in a number of different environments. This allowed us to spread out through almost the entire world. In the different parts of the world, the different population groups were faced with various and unique challenges to survive and so they had to come up with solutions or they died out. The other hominid groups died out because they weren't as hardy as we've proven to be, so far. Plus, you had population pressures, famines, diseases, disasters, etc. that influenced things, too. That influenced our genes as we adapted to things. Over thousands of years, we kept adding to what was there before and that led to the global society we have today.

There's no need to introduce supernatural deities into the equation. It was our evolutionary history and the various environments we found ourselves in that made us how we are today.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

@EtuMalku
That's not true at all. We shared the earth with several other intelligent hominids as recently as 30 thousand years ago.

I wonder if it had been one of them rather than us, if they would feel equally as smug?

 

[EtuMalku]

Why do you expect other species to end up like us when all species take different evolutionary paths? Hominids have proven to be very adaptable. (I mean Homo and all its sub-species.) We're able to survive in a number of different environments. This allowed us to spread out through almost the entire world. In the different parts of the world, the different population groups were faced with various and unique challenges to survive and so they had to come up with solutions or they died out. The other hominid groups died out because they weren't as hardy as we've proven to be, so far. Plus, you had population pressures, famines, diseases, disasters, etc. that influenced things, too. That influenced our genes as we adapted to things. Over thousands of years, we kept adding to what was there before and that led to the global society we have today.

There's no need to introduce supernatural deities into the equation. It was our evolutionary history and the various environments we found ourselves in that made us how we are today.

Survival is not Evolution . . . Survival is a built in mechanism that ALL of life has