[LHP only] What is left hand path?

[Unveiled Artist]

Is that more Occult? Is it part of Witchcraft? Whats behind the name? (Why Left and not Right?) Thinking of political differences. Not-Not to compare LHP with Left/right politics.

 

[crossfire]

LHP is about becoming an individual instead of merging with "the one."

Becoming an individual takes a lot of soul-searching--you have to face your own personal fears instead of repressing them, as well as identifying the cultural/collective fears, know them for what they are, and bring all of the unconscious processes into consciousness so you can resolve them intelligently.

 

[EtuMalku]

Is that more Occult? Is it part of Witchcraft? Whats behind the name? (Why Left and not Right?) Thinking of political differences. Not-Not to compare LHP with Left/right politics.

Are asking about eastern or western left hand paths?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

LHP is about becoming an individual instead of merging with "the one."
Becoming an individual takes a lot of soul-searching--you have to face your own personal fears instead of repressing them, as well as identifying the cultural/collective fears, know them for what they are, and bring all of the unconscious processes into consciousness so you can resolve them intelligently.

Interesting. So are you on an LHP, and if so how do you reconcile becoming an individual with the Buddhist teachings on anatta?

 

[`mud]

Tiz but a split in the path,
it could merge once again,
possibly quickly,
left-right....doesn't really matter,
the choosing is the challenge !
Duh !
~
'mud

 

[1137]

The left is about the Self, the right is about Gods and their laws.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Are asking about eastern or western left hand paths?

I wouldn't know. @1137 said LHP is about Self and Right is about the gods and their laws. There are a lot of religions about the Self. Each one is unique in its own accord. What makes LHP unique as well?

(Not all Western religions focus on the gods. Not all eastern religions focus on the self)

 

[1137]

I wouldn't know. @1137 said LHP is about Self and Right is about the gods and their laws. There are a lot of religions about the Self. Each one is unique in its own accord. What makes LHP unique as well?

(Not all Western religions focus on the gods. Not all eastern religions focus on the self)

Most religions do not focus on the self. Even if they appear to the members are slaves of higher values, such as their priest's. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Christianity, Judaism, Jainism, Sikhism,... all are RHP in their default forms.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Most religions do not focus on the self. Even if they appear to the members are slaves of higher values, such as their priest's. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Christianity, Judaism, Jainism, Sikhism,... all are RHP in their default forms.

We differ in views, especially in Buddhism. That's a Religious Debate talk, though. Left Hand Path is the only religion that says: "they are focus on self and other religions are do not"?

 

[crossfire]

Interesting. So are you on an LHP, and if so how do you reconcile becoming an individual with the Buddhist teachings on anatta?

No self views--only the apophatic approach, or what is known as neti-neti; anatta.

Edit to add: meditate, identify dukkha, watch how it arises, watch how it fades, develop a plan of practice that leads to the ending of dukkha--Jungian individuation.

 

[EtuMalku]

The western left hand path is the conscious effort to realize one's higher Self and to bring this Self into one's
mundane self as often as possible thus coming to know one's true Self while incarnate.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The western left hand path is the conscious effort to realize one's higher Self and to bring this Self into one's
mundane self as often as possible thus coming to know one's true Self while incarnate.

So how you tell the difference between higher Self and mundane self, practically speaking?

 

[Mindmaster]

We differ in views, especially in Buddhism. That's a Religious Debate talk, though. Left Hand Path is the only religion that says: "they are focus on self and other religions are do not"?

All of these are psycho-historical models oriented toward the self...

The Transcendental views themselves in the image of their gods. The world has an end and a beginning. (With their god/aspect of self associated with it...)

The Materialist views themselves in terms of causality -- ultimately the view loses power as the depressing nature of nihilism begins to rule minds. (This is sort of where we are at now.) They typically have no idea about mystery concepts because they are not provable in the way that they accept.

The Magician harmonizes all of their "self" and views the world progressing in cycles...

To determine which one of these views you have at any point in time:

If you are a Materialist: Magicians and magic workers.. appear childish. The Transcendent appear to assume too much. Everything must make sense via critical thinking or reason or it is rubbish.

If you are a Transcendent: Ideally gods will and your own are the same thing. You see people who are materialistic suffer from the demon called hubris, and magicians are outright demonic and possibly irredeemable.

If you are the Magician: You view the transcendent as having greatly inflated the importance of the selves which they call gods. While you view Materialists attempting to make all of the "selves" subordinate to the one doing the rational thinking.


Most of us are a composite of these, but where you fall is basically which ever one you happen to have faith in at the time. Most LHPers fit in the high materialist category with a sprinkle of Magic... None of these positions are any more right than the others -- just to make it clear... There is ample "evidence" to support any of these claims...

 

[crossfire]

<...>
If you are a Materialist: Magicians and magic workers.. appear childish. The Transcendent appear to assume too much. Everything must make sense via critical thinking or reason or it is rubbish.

If you are a Transcendent: Ideally gods will and your own are the same thing. You see people who are materialistic suffer from the demon called hubris, and magicians are outright demonic and possibly irredeemable.

If you are the Magician: You view the transcendent as having greatly inflated the importance of the selves which they call gods. While you view Materialists attempting to make all of the "selves" subordinate to the one doing the rational thinking.


Most of us are a composite of these, but where you fall is basically which ever one you happen to have faith in at the time. Most LHPers fit in the high materialist category with a sprinkle of Magic... None of these positions are any more right than the others -- just to make it clear... There is ample "evidence" to support any of these claims...

Kewl--it looks like Buddha falls under your Magician classification.

 

[Mindmaster]

Kewl--it looks like Buddha falls under your Magician classification.

A lot of things are hybrids based on the times they had come into being. Buddhism bears the marks of it's origins... 5th century BCE... Magic was still a model, but Monotheism was rising from Paganism. So you have something that decides to rest on the cyclic concepts of the magic outlook and rather than assembling one god it decides there are no gods... So, in a way I agree with you... I'd say it's probably 90% Magic, but it does share reincarnation concepts with Monotheism. In Pagan times you didn't come back you were stuck in the Underworld... So if anything I think it shows the shift in thinking...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is to eat the Forbidden Fruits, to dance in the fires of Olympus, and declare before the Gods I am, I shall, and I will.
It is, in many ways and to a great deal (sense LHP can be theistic, involve rituals and witchcraft, or be entirely atheist (which is more common)), the same as Nietzsche's philosophy of transcended the master/slave struggles and the heard mentality, and live according to your own desires.
Often times, it's used as an excuse for people to be a dick, greedy, and dumb. But Fire will burn the careless, but there is untold wisdom and strength when the Flames are nurtured, and used to create an Inferno that incinerates all obstacles and all hindrances.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you are a Materialist: Magicians and magic workers.. appear childish.

Not necessarily. But, keep in mind, I tend to approach such things from an anthropological perspective, in which such things appear as a very normal and routine part of our behavior, and serve as a basis for the various things religion provides for. And really, it's not that much different than what I would do, which is focus on my desires and intentions (the source for witchcraft), contemplate how to achieve them (a ritualistic behavior), and then set out to achieve them, which is something a magician will also do once a ritual is completed. The paths go in different directions, one path is a bit shorter and it isn't as colorful and pretty, but they both get you to the same destination.

 

[Mindmaster]

Like I said, most people don't fit into these ideas in a hard way... some of their beliefs and notions come from other areas.. . They're just sort of guidelines... they can help you determine who you are dealing with quickly..

 

[Adramelek]

The Left Hand path is a quest to Become an immortal, potent, powerful Essence within the Universe. It is taking the responsibility of your life into your own hands and not placing it in the hands of some imaginary omnipotent God. It is standing forth in the majesty of your own Being and not bending your knee in submission to that of another.

Freedom and Knowledge are two of the greatest things most cherished by the one who ventures the Path of the Left Hand.

Xeper.

 

[Deidre]

immortality?