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Jehovah our God is One
According to the verse, death is gone.
right, so how can the dead be suffering in there?
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According to the verse, death is gone.
Ah..right..he just cosmically zaps places like Sodom and Gommorah, for breaking some rules.
Ah..right..he just cosmically zaps places like Sodom and Gommorah, for breaking some rules.
Because their souls are not dead Because there is no death.right, so how can the dead be suffering in there?
Because their souls are not dead Because there is no death.
Because their souls are not dead Because there is no death.
According to the verse, death is gone.
What does the bible "actually say?"Is there any kind of contradiction or discrepancy in what Christians believe and what the bible actually says?
Well, the thing I don't understand about it is God metes out punishment for all eternity on more people than he saves (Matthew 7:13) and yet somehow he has infinite mercy upon people.
Everyone who hears or everyone? And how does God offer that to everyone?
But isn't redemption a choice we make for ourselves? Why can't people just change their minds about certain issues and becoming better people as a result of that? How is God's love and grace even a factor in this equation? I think that sin is primarily a mentality that leads to destructive action.
Since God can create a bush that doesn't burn up Exodus 3:2-3, He can keep people from burning up in the lake of fire.
I've heard hades is a holding place for the dead until judgement day.
I think you have several issues imbedded in your post. Regarding the spirits mentioned at 1 Peter 3:19,20, I believe these are the spirit "sons of God" mentioned at Genesis 6:2; disobedient angels mentioned in Jude 6. Apparently the message preached to these was one of their coming destruction. The Bible nowhere teaches universal salvation. IMO. God's love is offered to all, but those who reject it remain in God's righteous wrath.(John 3:36) finally, there is no place of eternal torment. The lake of fire mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbol of everlasting destruction.I've been wondering about this a while.
Christians and non Christians alike: Is there any kind of contradiction or discrepancy in what Christians believe and what the bible actually says?
For example, Christians commonly believe that God is omni-benevolent and that his love is unconditional when in John chapter 3 verse 18 Jesus clearly says, "Whoever believes in him [the son] is not condemned, but whoever does not believe in the son stands condemned already..." Isn't that conditional love? If God were really omni-benevolent wouldn't he just be able to forgive people of their sins out of the goodness of his heart?
The same thing in Revelation chapter 20 verse 10, John writes, "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Well so much for loving your enemies.
Is there even a possibility of post mortem salvation? In first Peter chapter 3 verse 19 through 20 Peter says, "After being made alive, he [Jesus] went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits- those who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built..." If not, then is God truly merciful?
If God is nothing but love why create a place of eternal torment, unless that torment is only supposed to be temporary?
I think I believe in post mortem salvation and if you believe the same about the character of God (omni-benevolence), I think you do too deep down.
I disagree, all that I'm trying to imply is that the judgement of God outweighs the goodness of God.Your comment implies that punishment is somehow not deserved.
Here's what I don't understand, (You're a Reformed Baptist, right?) how does God's goodness play into predestination when the people that are in need of being saved have to call out on the one that put them in the dire situation that they are in to begin with?If a man murders someone, gets convicted for the crime that he actually did commit and gets sentenced to 'life without parole' because by his very nature his is and will always be a danger to 'society', is it somehow unjust of the Governor to not grant him a full pardon and release him?
I'm just thinking about people who have no desire to know God. If what comes out of the mouth of Jesus (like in Matthew 7:13) is set in stone then it seems like God doesn't really win in the end if he has to send almost everybody to hell. How does God offer to redeem everyone when he's already decided who goes to heaven?The goal is not to see how close one can get to 'damned' and still squeak through the gate and into heaven ...
I don't know. I don't know what I'm thinking.What does the bible "actually say?"
I see no conflict.I disagree, all that I'm trying to imply is that the judgement of God outweighs the goodness of God.
What real evidence is there that God 'put them in the dire situation in the first place'?Here's what I don't understand, (You're a Reformed Baptist, right?) how does God's goodness play into predestination when the people that are in need of being saved have to call out on the one that put them in the dire situation that they are in to begin with?
The offer is available to all.I'm just thinking about people who have no desire to know God. If what comes out of the mouth of Jesus (like in Matthew 7:13) is set in stone then it seems like God doesn't really win in the end if he has to send almost everybody to hell. How does God offer to redeem everyone when he's already decided who goes to heaven?
I will grant you this much,Because their souls are not dead Because there is no death.
Christians and non Christians alike: Is there any kind of contradiction or discrepancy in what Christians believe and what the bible actually says?
Boy is there ever! Because the Bible itself is full of contradictions, and because throughout history Christians have always adapted their interpretation of Scripture to contemporary ethics and morality. Case in point: slavery. Most Christians today believe slavery is wrong, despite the fact that it is clearly condoned in Scripture.
where are the injunctions against slavery??