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Ganesha?Who says they are gone? Did not the Ganesha idol drink milk?
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Ganesha?Who says they are gone? Did not the Ganesha idol drink milk?
How so? Deism just says God exist but doesnt interact with people. The creator interacted with people over 3,000 years ago but somewhere between then and now it stoped. Where did the magic of the creator go?
The laws of nature, gravity, the dead stay dead, etc are true today as it was 3,000 years ago. The creator defied the laws of nature yet today he does not. Where did his magic go?
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Yep, its "why not now?" but Im not saying a deity chose to stop miracles. Im saying, miracles that defy physics just stoped with no choice involved.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here, sorry. :/
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I was wondering where (or when?) miracles (the acts that defy the laws of physics) that the Creator did 3,000 years prior disappear to. (when did it stop and why)
The appostles were given the gift to speak in many languages that they were not fluent in.
Why is that ability not exist today?
Christ, a human, walked on water via God.
If we tried knowing God is with us too, well sank.
Time period could not be the reason miracles exiated then but not now.
Where did the miracles go?
Walking on water is metaphorical and moreso separation from mind and thought and being in a pure state of consciousness, and the moment we think, or fear, we sink back into the mind.
There was never any magic, the only magic was the transformation of a human's mind, occurring within. All those stories are occurring in the brain, from an inside looking out position. You'd think it'd be easier for the sky to just light up and God say, "behold, I am God." Then everyone would be frightened in their panties and believe. Doesn't work that way though. The magic is life and the fulfillment of life and peace of mind "God" brings to the human who surrenders.
Pretty much if miracles occurred, then wouldn't a god (so long as it was still able to do so) still be able to do them even today? It'd just be said deity doesn't want to?Entirely up to Gods whims? Got to rephrase that please
Pretty much if miracles occurred, then wouldn't a god (so long as it was still able to do so) still be able to do them even today? It'd just be said deity doesn't want to?
Yeah, out of the options, it'd make more sense for a deity who's been miracle-ing it up for thousands of years but not recently to have either died, stopped communicating, or just hasn't bothered with any more miracles.Could be. It would be odd that so many miracles happen then but not now as ifnthe laws of natare complete changed just because.
Yeah, out of the options, it'd make more sense for a deity who's been miracle-ing it up for thousands of years but not recently to have either died, stopped communicating, or just hasn't bothered with any more miracles.
Well, there are answers to this and probably long discussions on the subject in many philosophical works and apologetic literature. Usually one of the reasons given for things like this is because revelation is closed - but not always, as there are some religions which believe in continual revelation like the Bahá''i Faith and Mormonism. Why there are no miracles occurring with those (or if there are), however, I dunno - but it would be worth asking.One of many reasons I dont practice deity related beliefs. Time period shouldnt (if it did) matter in regards to the miracles then and nothing now.
It wasn't 'people', it was a being with divine potential... So ask, why are angels not visiting or making them self known? Because the human race murders them as sin sacrifices!If people can walk on water only 3,000 some odd years ago (if they did), why not today?
Unfortunately it does, people respect peer reviewed studies, scholarly proof, etc... It is all about stuff that isn't in the Now, yet recorded in the past; they've been educated this way, by the same close minded, hierarchical system that the Pharisees instigated, and is now present in our whole society, like the Smith virus in the Matrix.Time period shouldnt ivalidate Gods actions (or miracles?)
This sounds like you are drifting towards deism.
How so? Deism just says God exist but doesnt interact with people. The creator interacted with people over 3,000 years ago but somewhere between then and now it stoped. Where did the magic of the creator go?
As in Jesus? What about Moses? We cant part the red sea, but by God, He could. If its by God, we should be able to too. We have crimes, war, etc happen yet God does not intervene yet He did for His chosen people. When did His magic, so to speak, just stop?It wasn't 'people', it was a being with divine potential..
It wasn't 'people', it was a being with divine potential..
Thats kind of saying one and one wont equal two 2,000 years from now. If God is eternal, time and history shouldnt change the laws of nature which should include miracles even if we cant test it.Unfortunately it does, people respect peer reviewed studies, scholarly proof, etc... It is all about stuff that isn't in the Now, yet recorded in the past; they've been educated this way, by the same close minded, hierarchical system that the Pharisees instigated, and is now present in our whole society, like the Smith virus in the Matrix.
The other point of magic disappearing, is that about 2000-3000 years ago, a lot of the matriarchal religions were wiped off Mother earth... Psychedelic sacramental culture was forgotten, even tho the religions that were established by it, are still used today.
Okay. According to deism is God and external being like you are separate from me as hukan beings, or internal we are a part of each other literally? (No pantheism, panenthism, animist, etc)God, if It exists, hasn't interacted in this natural universe since it was created. There is no evidence for any such supernatural involvement except religious hearsay, and there's no evidence of any kind from before the Big Bang whatsoever. And, BTW, deism is the reasoned philosophy that God doesn't interact at all, ever since the Creation, not just no interaction with people for the last 3000, wherever that figure came from.
Wow, seems you're spending to much time with religious people; got thousands of friends around the world who have magic happen in different degrees everyday. So it hasn't stopped...God intervenes loads, there are cases of miraculous events that are beyond peoples explanation, like car crashes where the person miraculously survives, etc...When did His magic, so to speak, just stop?.
Think you're missing where i'm heading.... We live in a magical dream reality; by taking psychedelics, we become aware of the reality being tangible... We're living in the days of ungodliness, where many believe; yet have no faith.... Many have got religious labels; yet have no colour in their understanding, it is all based on what is written in black and white.Thats kind of saying one and one wont equal two 2,000 years from now.
If God is eternal, time and history shouldnt change the laws of nature which should include miracles even if we cant test it.
Okay. According to deism is God and external being like you are separate from me as hukan beings, or internal we are a part of each other literally? (No pantheism, panenthism, animist, etc)
Wow, seems you're spending to much time with religious people; got thousands of friends around the world who have magic happen in different degrees everyday. So it hasn't stopped...God intervenes loads, there are cases of miraculous events that are beyond peoples explanation, like car crashes where the person miraculously survives, etc...
Think you're missing where i'm heading.... We live in a magical dream reality; by taking psychedelics, we become aware of the reality being tangible... We're living in the days of ungodliness, where many believe; yet have no faith.... Many have got religious labels; yet have no colour in their understanding, it is all based on what is written in black and white.
So with faith you can move a mountain; yet with belief you can't, as it always contains a lie within it.
What laws of nature? Find it funny how magic has become so itemized, there are now laws and regulations laying out how to do even basics....When clearly magic is defined by being something unexplainable.
Miracles still happen, dreams still come to pass, it is just our perceptions of it all....Let go of saying never, and start saying how!