God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[gnostic]

It probably has capabilities now, which we do nor understand or make any use of.
Probably.

BTW, I anticipate that in maybe a couple of generations humans will have much more extremely highly developed thumbs because of all the texting the younguns are now doing.

Or the thumb may just fall off, and we'll all be thumb-less.

Now that's a frightening thought.

 

[Looncall]

Such

You mean like a bomb leaves clear traces of the things it blows up? Like a fire leaves clear traces of the paper it consumes?

Oh, wait, this is a universal flood that covers everything. Perhaps it signs itself, "Floody was here!" like graffiti on Everest!

Such determined ignorance. A worldwide, carastrophic flood would certainly leave a ubiquitous deposit. Non such is found.

 

[David M]

You mean like a bomb leaves clear traces of the things it blows up? Like a fire leaves clear traces of the paper it consumes?

Oh, wait, this is a universal flood that covers everything. Perhaps it signs itself, "Floody was here!" like graffiti on Everest!

Yes, pretty much like those two things in that it would leave traces.

There are no traces of a universal flood. But there certainly are traces of things that could not be formed by a flood and those traces are found in precisely the places that global flood supporters claim were created by said flood. Which makes them wrong according to all the evidence.

 

[Desert Snake]

Yes, pretty much like those two things in that it would leave traces.

There are no traces of a universal flood. But there certainly are traces of things that could not be formed by a flood and those traces are found in precisely the places that global flood supporters claim were created by said flood. Which makes them wrong according to all the evidence.

Hate to break it to you man, but any seasoned hiker notices evidence of flood/s/ as well. I think you might be taking the 'words' in the bible that refer to the flood way to literally.

 

[David M]

Hate to break it to you man, but any seasoned hiker notices evidence of flood/s/ as well. I think you might be taking the 'words' in the bible that refer to the flood way to literally.

Hate to break it to you but no geologist has ever disputed that short term localised floods occur. But a global flood has zero evidence for and plenty of evidence against, just as those hikers would also notice if they looked at exactly where that "flood evidence" lies.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Like pyramids that are older than the flood that doesn't have water damage and not covered in a mile of mud, like the other supposed strata of animal fossils that supposedly came from the flood. There would be traces of sea life in the pyramids, and there would be traces of many other kinds within the tombs because having them standing under water for a year would make water seep in everywhere. But it didn't.

I take it that statements like "pyramids older than the Flood" mean you have accurate dating for both.

Please, tell all of us, what date BCE was the Flood? I've always wanted to know.

Thanks.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Its not the case.

You obviously don't understand how this fallacy works




So what? they are theological schools and paper diploma mills.


99% of the school teach the opposite of what you follow

Yes, thank you for the ad populum argument, as I've already said.

1,000 years ago, 99% of secular and religious institutions taught the world was flat. Meanwhile, the Bible said the Earth is round or spherical. So there's that.

 

[jonathan180iq]

1,000 years ago, 99% of secular and religious institutions taught the world was flat.

This is a common misconception. It's not true at all.

 

[Ouroboros]

I take it that statements like "pyramids older than the Flood" mean you have accurate dating for both.

Please, tell all of us, what date BCE was the Flood? I've always wanted to know.

Thanks.

The oldest pyramids, 2600 BCE.
The flood, somewhere between 2300 BCE (according to the genealogies).

 

[outhouse]

, the Bible said the Earth is round or spherical

NO it did not.

It said circle. and it gave a flat description.

thank you for the ad populum argument,

Factually false.

Your refusal of education and credible knowledge is noted. My statement was factually not the fallacy because my position is backed by factual evidence.


YOU do follow ad populum argument based on a group of people that think the mythology existed.

 

[gnostic]

I take it that statements like "pyramids older than the Flood" mean you have accurate dating for both.

Please, tell all of us, what date BCE was the Flood? I've always wanted to know.

Thanks.

The first pyramid was built in at the start of 3rd dynasty (2686 - 2613 BCE), by its first king Djoser (c 2686 - 2667 BCE), in Saqqara.

When people think of pyramid, they usually think of the Great Pyramid of Giza, the largest pyramid in the Egypt. This was built by Khufu (2589–2566 BCE); 2nd king of 4th dynasty (2613 - 2498 BCE). The other 2 large pyramids were built by Khafre (2558 - 2532) and Menkaure (2532 - 2503).

Pyramids were continued to be built in following dynasties, as late as the New Kingdom 18th dynasty (c 1539 - 1292 BCE), by its 1st king - Ahmose I (c 1539 - 1514 BCE), at Abydos.

According to the Masoretic Text (MT), which most western bibles were translated from, it could calculate Noah's Flood occurring 1656 years (or 1656 AM, meaning Anno Mundi) after the creation of Adam (about 3924 BCE, which would be 0 AM). This would put the Flood about 2268 BCE.

The Greek Septuagint bibles give different timelines, depending on which manuscripts you are reading - Alexandrinus codex or Vaticanus). The Vaticanus date the Flood to 2242 AM, while the Alexandrinus date it to 2262 AM.

I am not certain with the BCE datings of the Septuagint, because of the inconsistency between the 2 versions of Septuagint, so I normally use the Masoretic Text (MT).

According to the Genesis (from MT), the birth of Abraham was in 1948 AM, which is 1976 BCE. There is only 292 years between that of the Flood and Abraham's birth.

The way I calculated my numbers is from adding all the generations in Genesis, and the reigns of monarchs in Samuel and Kings, all the way to the fall of Jerusalem in 587 BCE. The destruction of the first temple (587 AM) has been dated to 3338 AM.

587 BCE is the reference point for all my BCE calculations.

Because of the uncertainties of time from exodus to David, I had to rely on 2 verses - Genesis 15 and 17 (covenant of Abraham), Exodus 12:40-41 (430 years from exodus out of Egypt (1476 BCE or 2448 AM) and the covenant of Abraham) and 1 Kings 6:1 (foundation of temple, on the 4th year of Solomon's reign (297 BCE or 2927 AM), 480 years after Israelites left Egypt).

Anyway, 2268 BCE for the flood would make it about 300 years after Khufu's death, when he was entombed in his pyramid. And 2268 BCE would put the Flood in the middle of 6th dynasty (2345 - 2181 BCE), during the reign of Pepi II (2278 - 2184 BCE).

If the global flood had occurred, wouldn't the flood kill off Pepi and everyone in Egypt and ended the dynasty there and then?

But based on Genesis, Egypt didn't exist till after The flood, where Ham fathered a son who supposedly found Egypt. It would seemed that the Genesis doesn't go well with historical and archaeological evidences.

 

[David M]

1,000 years ago, 99% of secular and religious institutions taught the world was flat. Meanwhile, the Bible said the Earth is round or spherical. So there's that.

Wrong on both counts.

 

[outhouse]

As Israel Finkelstein states, I cannot debate the same methodology as one uses to propose a flat earth.

 

[gnostic]

1,000 years ago, 99% of secular and religious institutions taught the world was flat. Meanwhile, the Bible said the Earth is round or spherical. So there's that.

There was no "secular" institutions 1000 years ago. What imaginary institution being "secular"?

And where in the Bible does it say the Earth is "spherical" or "round"?

Sources, please.

 

[gnostic]

Genesis also say that Nimrod found Uruk, a city in southern Sumer, AFTER THE FLOOD.

Archaeological evidences showed that the foundation of Uruk is as old 5000 BCE, which predate the Sumerian civilisation. Uruk have been built over a number of times, one on top of the other, but Sumerian Uruk may have not been powerful as it once was (the last peak was in mid-3rd millennium BCE, about 2800 to 2500 BCE), it was not in ruin or deserted around 2268 BCE, which Noah's Flood was supposed to happen.

Uruk enjoyed a long period of prosperity during the 4th millennium BCE (from 3700 to 3100 BCE), before peaking again in 2800-2500 BCE. Gilgamesh, a semi-historical king, was king of Uruk around 2700s or 2600s. In the Sumerian poems, he supposedly met the Sumerian version of Noah, named Ziusudra, who was later called Atrahasis in Akkadian epic (Epic of Atrahasis, c 1700), and Utnapishtim in Old Babylonian and Late Babylonian (as well as the Late Assyrian version, from the Library of Nineveh, which is the best preserved, so it is called the Standard Edition) Epic of Gilgamesh.

Gilgamesh even appeared in the Book of Giants, one of the fragments among the Dead Sea Scrolls, as a giant.

Not only that, the story of Gilgamesh is known as far west as the mid-2nd millennium Hittite Empire and in Egypt, because fragments of the tablets exist in both place, as well as in the city of Ugarit and more importantly in the Canaanite city of Megiddo. If Gilgamesh was known in Megiddo, then they probably know of Atrahasis/Utnapishtim, and if the Bronze Age Canaanite know, then so would Iron Age Israelites.

No Hebrew writings, especially of the biblical stories, exist before the Iron Age.

 

[BilliardsBall]

All,

The Hebrew could be "sphere" or "circle". Ask the orthodox translators on the related sub-forums.

You're all full of something--floodwater, perhaps? THERE IS NO DATE IN THE BIBLE FOR THE FLOOD. Cut it out.

 

[outhouse]

THERE IS NO DATE IN THE BIBLE FOR THE FLOOD

So your saying it did not happen?


If you cannot supply a date, it did not happen.

 

[Ouroboros]

You're all full of something--floodwater, perhaps? THERE IS NO DATE IN THE BIBLE FOR THE FLOOD. Cut it out.

The date is based on what the Bible says.

So we're supposed to take the older story about the flood literally, that it happened, and was covering the whole world, and mountains, and all "kinds" of animals could fit in there, for a year after 40 days of raining, and food, and all the other problems somehow solved without explanations.

Meanwhile, we're supposed to *not* take the genealogies that follow, that are newer, in the same book because somehow we don't know if they're correct?

Where's the standard? Why is the flood more accurate in Genesis than let's say the genealogies in Exodus? So such-and-such did *not* give birth to *this-or-that* at the age of *yada-yada* because we can't trust those records? Supposedly written by Moses, during his own life, but, his record of the stories before his birth (long time before, if we can trust the stories), they can be trusted?

There's no sense to this cherry picking.

 

[jonathan180iq]

There's no sense to this cherry picking.

Hey, at least it's a tactic that leaves them wiggle room when confronted with the obviously untenable stance of a specific flood date!

They just don't realize that it only saves them from one embarrassment and doesn't address the other obvious flaws...

"It happened because the Bible says it happened."
"Don't ask when it happened! How should I know?"
"All I know is that the Bible doesn't say when it happened."
"We know it happened though!"
"How can you say it didn't happen if you don't know when it happened?"

 

[JayJayDee]

There simply was no universal flood, which any geologist will tell ya.

What about Flood Legends?

Such a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. Moses preserved the true account in Genesis. Sometime after the Flood, when God-defying people built the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language and scattered them “over all the surface of the earth.” (Gen 11:9) It was only natural that these people took with them stories of the Flood and passed them on from father to son. The fact that there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a strong proof that all these people had a common origin and that their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.

These folklore accounts of the Deluge agree with some major features of the Biblical account: (1) a place of refuge for a few survivors, (2) an otherwise global destruction of life by water, and (3) a seed of mankind preserved. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Druids of Britain, the Polynesians, the Eskimos and Greenlanders, the Africans, the Hindus, and the American Indians—all of these have their Flood stories.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 319) states: “Flood stories have been discovered among nearly all nations and tribes. Though most common on the Asian mainland and the islands immediately south of it and on the North American continent, they have been found on all the continents. Totals of the number of stories known run as high as about 270 . . . The universality of the flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal destruction of humanity by a flood and the spread of the human race from one locale and even from one family. Though the traditions may not all refer to the same flood, apparently the vast majority do. The assertion that many of these flood stories came from contacts with missionaries will not stand up because most of them were gathered by anthropologists not interested in vindicating the Bible, and they are filled with fanciful and pagan elements evidently the result of transmission for extended periods of time in a pagan society. Moreover, some of the ancient accounts were written by people very much in opposition to the Hebrew-Christian tradition.”

Why would we discount these facts?