crhodes9898
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Allah, Yahweh, or Jehovah. Which one and why?
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Allah, Yahweh, or Jehovah
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crhodes9898
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Do you mind giving a brief background of your god. And why he/she is the "almighty""Jehovah" is a bastardisation of Yahweh.
But none.
Ahura Mazda forever
lovemuffin
τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
Probably it would be more accurate to say that both "Jehovah" and "Yahweh" are attempts to translate the same Hebrew name, the pronunciation of which is disputed due to the lack of vowels. But they are certainly not different names. The two words in english have the same textual referent in a very exact way. Allah is not a name in the same way that the tetragrammaton is and was a name. It would be compared to the greek Theos or the Hebrew Elohim, i.e as a word that means "God"
I wouldn't call my God "The Almighty." I'd call Lord Mazda "The Ultimate Good", for he does not control everything, he does not predestine us, he did not create evil but evil is independent of him. He is the highest Good, the Perfect, The Wise Lord ('Ahura Mazda'). He sent a prophet, Zarathustra, to instruct us, and spoke with him personally. Our Lord does not set down laws or demand that we be totally perfect. In the end, all go to Ahura Mazda, even the wicked when they have been purged of their wickedness. We are just taught, Good Words, Good Thoughts and Good Deeds. The Goodness of Lord Mazda be on you
All the above are man's earnest efforts to understand that which is beyond his ability to fully conceptualize.
None of the above.
crhodes9898
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I do appreciate your attempt in kind words, and hospitality, however I would disagree in your thoughts, of what your "god" is. Your "god" is not in or of this world, hence there is no such god.I wouldn't call my God "The Almighty." I'd call Lord Mazda "The Ultimate Good", for he does not control everything, he does not predestine us, he did not create evil but evil is independent of him. He is the highest Good, the Perfect, The Wise Lord ('Ahura Mazda'). He sent a prophet, Zarathustra, to instruct us, and spoke with him personally. Our Lord does not set down laws or demand that we be totally perfect. In the end, all go to Ahura Mazda, even the wicked when they have been purged of their wickedness. We are just taught, Good Words, Good Thoughts and Good Deeds. The Goodness of Lord Mazda be on you
crhodes9898
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If not those than what one?
^ This.
God can be called by many names.
But "Allah" is Arabic, while my native language is English and I pray in Hebrew.
The other two are attempts to pronounce the tetragammaton, which we don't vocalize.
Muslims claim Allah is the Arabic pronunciation of the tetragrammaton, mistranslated as Yaweh, or Jehovah. I think it fair to say Jews, Muslims and Christians all worship the same God, what is debatable is the fallability or infallibility of their respective prophets or leaders.
crhodes9898
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Would these names be of ancient Hebrew?
The map is not the territory ...
lovemuffin
τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
Do you have a reference for that? Just out of curiousity. The etymologies I've seen compare it to El or Elohim rather than the tetragrammaton
No they haven't.
rosends
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To my understanding, the word "allah" is related to the semitic root related to "up" or "above" as in "that which is above" and unrelated to the 4 letter name with which it shares very little in terms of lettering and pronunciation. The question of whether the religions worship the "same god" presents a problem -- if each is monotheistic then they agree that there is only 1 god but their ideas of god are mutually exclusive so two diametrically opposed god-ideas cannot be called the "same god".
So you think the Muslims have their own separate God and he hates Jews??? Much more likely is that the God is the same in all three religions, and the differences attributed to God in the three religions has to do with the Prophets or elders who "revealed" the message. Actually if you read the Koran, Allah sounds very much like JHVH in the Old Testament or Tanakh, not as much like God in the New Testament though. All has to do with who's opinions about God you take seriously. I think God is perhaps the most misinterpreted and misrepresented "individual" in existence, I take most of the scriptures statements of God's attributes with a grain of salt.
By the way the Muslims claim the tetragrammaton is pronounced Y'ellah, or Allah starting with a Y sound.
By the way the Muslims claim the tetragrammaton is pronounced Y'ellah, or Allah starting with a Y sound.
rosends
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I'm not sure what you were reading that led to your conclusion. The claim wasn't that anyone has his or her "own separate God" but that the God ideas of the major religions are mutually exclusive in the attributes adherents see in them. There also was no claim of anyone hating anyone so I'm not sure why you would include that.
As to the pronunciation, I have no idea, except that the 4 letter name lacks an L sound.
lovemuffin
τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
I wouldn't conclude from the etymological distinction between three words that muslims have "their own separate God and he hates Jews", that seems like a few bridges too far. I mean, from my perspective relatively few Christians refer to God very often using the tetragrammaton, at least historically, despite the fact that it's made a bit of a comeback. But I don't think the fact that more Christians have used "theos" or "God" or even "Jesus" than have used the tetragrammaton means that Christians have a different God. Just different terminology.