-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
The Trinity
- Thread starter Atruthseeker
- Start date
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
You need to study an Interlinear. The title "theos" is "god" with a small "g".
The only way to differentiate between the Almighty God and the lesser "mighty ones" was to use the definite article "ho" (THE) so John 1:1 has two "gods"....and only one is "THE God"....and it wasn't the "Word".
And yet you push the doctrine...so what do you call it? "A rose by by any other name....."
The Word was not "THE God"...he was "with" THE God and he became flesh. He did not have to be God Almighty to fulfill his role as Messiah and redeemer. He was sent.....how does one part of God send another part of himself?
You do not just disagree, you resort to insults.
Do you remember saying these lies about me:
"You appear to see yourself as some sort of crusader.....but your stance is not Christ-like. You want to force things down people's throats, when Jesus never taught like that. He never forced people to listen to him, nor did he make people feel worthless. He appealed to their sense of reason and presented the truth for them to either accept or reject. He never 'guilt-tripped' anyone nor did he berate them for not accepting his words.
I do not doubt your zeal, but your approach is not at all inviting.....it is rather repelling.
Was I wrong? It was an observation, not a just a criticism.
My old Nana used to say "you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".....we all need to heed that wisdom.
Jesus did not teach us to berate people or to whip them into submission.
He reasoned with people whilst giving them the dignity of choice.
Do you think you do that?
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Actually, the name Jehovah is not Greek, and it is not Hebrew. It is the American transliteration of the Latinized form of the Hebrew word "יְהֹוָה" or YHWH.
moorea944
Well-Known Member
That is so true. Arch's have dug up stone tablets from other countries that talk about the children of Israel and their God, YHWH. Thought that was wonderful reading about that.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
It's all very well in my honest opinion. I have no intention of calling my God by His First name. As a matter of respect, I don't call my dad by his first name either. I am quite content, as I am sure my God is content if I should call Him Lord, if I should call Him My Salvation. If I should call Him My God.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Sorry, there is only One God. Just as you have only one father, there is only one Creator who is God.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
There is only One God. There is only one true God. Sounds like the same thing to me. But as you wish.
cataway
Well-Known Member
the verse reads ''
4 Now concerning the eating of foods offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.'
cataway
Well-Known Member
17 Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
You can say, as does the Bible, that there are many "gods" and many "lords", and I recognize that people do place before themselves many different gods and lords. But I know there is only one God, and one Lord, as you say. I don't really care what other people think is a god or is not a god. I know God, and I know there is only One.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Jehovah" is the English translation of the Tetragrammaton. (A translation carried the meaning of the original word, though not not necessarily close to the pronunciation. e.g. Peter = Pierre= Pedro, all different translations of the same name.)
Yahweh is a transliteration. (This is how the name may have sounded in Hebrew but is not a translation) This is my understanding....
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Jehovah, to my understanding is the English transliteration of the Latinized form of the Hebrew word "יְהֹוָה" or YHWH, the "Tetragrammaton" as you call it.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
That is right One came forth from God the Father, and as such, is called a Son.
What do you call someone who comes forth from you?
In addition, tell me, do you believe you have the Holy Spirit in you?
Do you have Jesus Christ living in you?
How many Spirits were you given?
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
If only all this were at all important
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
(John 3:16-21)
But then, what can be more fun than debating and arguing with other Christians.
"Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen."
(2 Timothy 2:14)
"Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen."
(1 Corinthians 3:3)
"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters."
(Romans 14:1)
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand."
(Romans 14:4)
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
You do NOT say what the scriptures say.
In the Old Testament, God calls HIMSELF THE FIRST AND THE LAST. That is exactly what Jesus calls himself in Revelation!
Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.
JESUS calls HIMSELF the FIRST and the LAST in Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
Read Revelation 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Jesus calls himself the SAME EXACT name that God calls Himself. So then, why do you have a problem with my calling Jesus God?
Are you going to thank me for showing you the truth? Are you going to stop speaking in ignorance now?