Topic: Loving Jesus or Muhammad: Can I Have Both?

[Cordoba]

It is through his love that Christians embody kindness, compassion and religious devotion.

In fact Jesus is the center of their lives and all else fall under his umbrella. This is a great sense of security many feel in Christian faith.

In my years of practicing Christianity, I also felt this love, compassion and peace through loving Jesus. But unlike my Christian friends, I was unable to pray to him and ask him for my needs. It just did not feel right for me...

Unable to solve the Trinity puzzle I moved on to Islam, which gave me the thumbs up that my time with Christianity was not in vein, and how I perceived Jesus and God was correct.

So, I continued loving my beloved Jesus while I was getting to know Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them both)...

Loving Jesus or Muhammad: Can I Have Both? - In Their Own Words - Reading Islam - OnIslam.net

 

[nazz]

My spiritual path involved a similar trajectory but I never could love Muhammad like I love Jesus.

 

[Pegg]

It is through his love that Christians embody kindness, compassion and religious devotion.

In fact Jesus is the center of their lives and all else fall under his umbrella. This is a great sense of security many feel in Christian faith.

In my years of practicing Christianity, I also felt this love, compassion and peace through loving Jesus. But unlike my Christian friends, I was unable to pray to him and ask him for my needs. It just did not feel right for me...

Unable to solve the Trinity puzzle I moved on to Islam, which gave me the thumbs up that my time with Christianity was not in vein, and how I perceived Jesus and God was correct.

So, I continued loving my beloved Jesus while I was getting to know Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them both)...

Loving Jesus or Muhammad: Can I Have Both? - In Their Own Words - Reading Islam - OnIslam.net

When Mohammad is resurrected, he will be submitting himself to the rule of Christ Jesus.

 

[Kolibri]

Unable to solve the Trinity puzzle I moved on to Islam

I know very little of Islam. However, not all those that accept the Christian Greek Scriptures believe in a triune God. For instance, Jehovah's Witnesses reject the Trinity as one of the pagan constructs that were progressively grafted into the early church after the apostles were dead and no longer could act as a "restraint." (2 Thess 2:2-12)

For us, only the Father is God and the most accepted form of his name in English is Jehovah.

Jesus is the first of creation, was used to help make all other things, emptied himself to becomes a man, died as a ransom to allow for a legal means for us to be restored to human perfection, and is now ruling as God's chosen King in heaven. Much will be done by our Christ in the near future - events that will change life as we know it on this planet.

We recognize God's spirit as his "hands", his active force that changes things to fulfill God's will.

I suggest, that if the Trinity did not suit well with you, that perhaps you were not mistaken in your reasons for conflict.

 

[Cordoba]

My spiritual path involved a similar trajectory but I never could love Muhammad like I love Jesus.

Hello nazz

I'm not surprised with all the media misinformation we have

An excellent book about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, I would recommend is by Dr. Tariq Ramadan

The title is "In the Footsteps of the Prophet"


There are many books on his life, but (imo) this is the best, as it does not only deal with events, but looks into the real Muhammad, who was a very kind human being before receiving God's revelation at the age of 40.

Peace and salam

 

[Cordoba]

When Mohammad is resurrected, he will be submitting himself to the rule of Christ Jesus.

Hello Pegg

Muslims believe that when Jesus, peace be upon him, returns to earth, he will follow God's final revelation, the Qur'an

Sarah Joseph from the UK is another Muslim who loves Jesus and tries to build bridges between Christians and Muslims

The Muslim Jesus - Messengers - Reading Islam - OnIslam.net

 

[Pegg]

Hello Pegg

Muslims believe that when Jesus, peace be upon him, returns to earth, he will follow God's final revelation, the Qur'an

Sarah Joseph from the UK is another Muslim who loves Jesus and tries to build bridges between Christians and Muslims

The Muslim Jesus - Messengers - Reading Islam - OnIslam.net

Dont' get me wrong, the Quran has some good points, but I can't imagine that Jesus would follow the Quran considering the Quran allows for polygamy and Christ made the practice illegal.

Christ also forbid his followers from taking up arms... the quran allows for war. There is no way Christ is going to revert back to violence.

The quran segregates woman from being among male worshipers... Christ never segregated women from his presence nor did he fail to teach them.

Christ also ended capital punishment... the Quran allows for it and subscribes it.

So how could he possibly use the quran as a basis for leading mankind back to God?

 

[nazz]

Hello nazz

I'm not surprised with all the media misinformation we have

An excellent book about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, I would recommend is by Dr. Tariq Ramadan

The title is "In the Footsteps of the Prophet"


There are many books on his life, but (imo) this is the best, as it does not only deal with events, but looks into the real Muhammad, who was a very kind human being before receiving God's revelation at the age of 40.

Peace and salam

No, sorry, I did not make myself clear. I followed Islam for a while.

 

[Cordoba]

Dont' get me wrong, the Quran has some good points, but I can't imagine that Jesus would follow the Quran considering the Quran allows for polygamy and Christ made the practice illegal.

Christ also forbid his followers from taking up arms... the quran allows for war. There is no way Christ is going to revert back to violence.

The quran segregates woman from being among male worshipers... Christ never segregated women from his presence nor did he fail to teach them.

Christ also ended capital punishment... the Quran allows for it and subscribes it.

So how could he possibly use the quran as a basis for leading mankind back to God?

The Divine Law has evolved, through the different revelations God sent to His Prophets, from the time of Noah, till Abraham, Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them all

But the core belief in One God (Monotheism) always remained the same

The examples you mentioned are all details in Divine Law which in previous revelations (The Torah) for example were permissible.

Today, all past Divine Revelations no longer exist in their original form, and the only one remaining intact is the Qur'an because it is God's final revelation which supersedes all past revelations

That is the Muslim belief, which explains why Jesus will follow God's Last Revelation when he returns

Peace

 

[arthra]

I was raised a Christian and later began exploring religions and found a great deal of wisdom and love in all of them... I felt a love for all of the Messengers of God and was unwilling to neglect One over Another or agree that some religions are false. When I became a Baha'i it all seemed to fall into place as we recognize that there is one religion of God revealed at various times and in varying social conditions.. I also came to appreciate Prophet Muhammad in the context of His life and times. Today we should not be swayed by the acts of a relatively few fanatics.

 

[Pegg]

The Divine Law has evolved, through the different revelations God sent to His Prophets, from the time of Noah, till Abraham, Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them all

But the core belief in One God (Monotheism) always remained the same

The examples you mentioned are all details in Divine Law which in previous revelations (The Torah) for example were permissible.

Today, all past Divine Revelations no longer exist in their original form, and the only one remaining intact is the Qur'an because it is God's final revelation which supersedes all past revelations

That is the Muslim belief, which explains why Jesus will follow God's Last Revelation when he returns

Peace

you can follow it if you like.

But if it is Gods final revelation, why would God need Jesus at all? Why not install mohammad as the one to lead mankind back to God?

Not very logical.

 

[Cordoba]

you can follow it if you like.

But if it is Gods final revelation, why would God need Jesus at all? Why not install mohammad as the one to lead mankind back to God?

Not very logical.

Because Jesus never died

God saved him from that horrible death on the cross, according to Muslims

And Jesus we will return to continue his mission ...

Peace and all the best

 

[Pegg]

Because Jesus never died

God saved him from that horrible death on the cross, according to Muslims

And Jesus we will return to continue his mission ...

Peace and all the best

do you think Jesus will teach the same things that he taught while on earth?

 

[Cordoba]

The faith is the same: God is One

And the ethics are the same:

We share the 10 Commandments so that won't change

Love your neighbor, ....

 

[muhammad_isa]

Dont' get me wrong, the Quran has some good points, but I can't imagine that Jesus would follow the Quran considering the Quran allows for polygamy and Christ made the practice illegal.

Where do you get that from? 1 Timothy (New Testament) ?
It's not explicit .. and Jesus, peace be with him, said that he'd come to fulfil the law, not to change it..

Christ also forbid his followers from taking up arms... the quran allows for war. There is no way Christ is going to revert back to violence.

Again, that is a misnomer .. I live in the UK, and I'm not so sure whether this country would still exist (or much of Europe, for that matter) if 'we' hadn't fought the nazis

The quran segregates woman from being among male worshipers... Christ never segregated women from his presence nor did he fail to teach them.

Really? The ladies back in those days wore modest clothing (including headgear), and did not freely socialise with men.

 

[Pegg]

The faith is the same: God is One

And the ethics are the same:

We share the 10 Commandments so that won't change

Love your neighbor, ....

No, the ethics are very very very very very very different. Even the 10 Commandments tell us we must not murder...yet the Quran allows stoning? If murder is putting someone to death, then is stoning a wrongdoer not akin to murder?

Also, the 10 commandments include 'you must not commit adultery' yet the Quran allows men to do this through multiple marriages or with someone other then your marriage mate if you are woman. So the quran allows men to be adulterers.

Jesus did not permit his followers to fight. He put men and women on the same level. He ended the practice of polygamy by teaching that a man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery thereby showing that the first marriage is the only one God recognizes as legitimate. ( the only legal basis for ending a marriage is if adultery is committed. And both men and women could be charged with adultery )

What is the punishment for adultery under the islamic law? If Jesus is the one who will administer Gods justice, then there are a lot of men who should be in fear of whats coming to them.

 

[Pegg]

Where do you get that from? 1 Timothy (New Testament) ?
It's not explicit .. and Jesus, peace be with him, said that he'd come to fulfil the law, not to change it..

Mark 10: 6 However, from the beginning of creation, ‘He made them male and female.+7 For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother,+8 and the two will be one flesh,’+ so that they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”+10 When they were again in the house, the disciples began to question him about this. 11 He said to them: “Whoever divorces his wife and marriesanothercommitsadultery+ against her,12 and if ever a woman after divorcing her husband marriesanother, shecommitsadultery.”+

Again, that is a misnomer .. I live in the UK, and I'm not so sure whether this country would still exist (or much of Europe, for that matter) if 'we' hadn't fought the nazis

Regardless, Christs followers have been warned "Put your sword in its place for those who live by the sword will die by the sword"

And just think, if all those christian soldiers obeyed Jesus command, they would never have even joined the german army and there would never have been an invasion in the first place.

Really? The ladies back in those days wore modest clothing (including headgear), and did not freely socialise with men.

The scriptures tell us otherwise:

Nehamiah 8 :1 All the people then gathered with one accord at the public square in front of the Water Gate,+ and they told Ez′ra+the copyist* to bring the book of the Law of Moses,+ which Jehovah had commanded Israel.+2 So Ez′ra the priest brought the Law before the congregation+ of men, women, and all who could listen with understanding, on the first day of the seventh month.+3 And he read aloud from it+ before the public square in front of the Water Gate, from daybreak until midday, to the men, the women, and all who could understand; and the people listened attentively+ to the book of the Law.

Luke 8:1 Shortly afterward he traveled from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God.+ And the Twelve were with him, 2 as were certain women who had been cured of wicked spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Mag′da·lene, from whom seven demons had come out; 3 Jo·an′na+ the wife of Chu′za, Herod’s man in charge; Su·san′na; and many other women, who were ministering to them from their belongings.

Women were included in the public readings of the law of Moses and they were present and actively participating in the public teaching of Jesus. So they were out in public, they were among Jesus apostles and they were Jesus disciples who were ministering to Jesus. They were not hiding in their homes, they were very much out in public freely socialising with Jesus and his followers. And Jesus did not stigmatize them for that, he encouraged it and he spent time with them.

 

[Woodrow LI]

Dont' get me wrong, the Quran has some good points, but I can't imagine that Jesus would follow the Quran considering the Quran allows for polygamy and Christ made the practice illegal.

Christ also forbid his followers from taking up arms... the quran allows for war. There is no way Christ is going to revert back to violence.

The quran segregates woman from being among male worshipers... Christ never segregated women from his presence nor did he fail to teach them.

Christ also ended capital punishment... the Quran allows for it and subscribes it.

So how could he possibly use the quran as a basis for leading mankind back to God?

No where in the words of Jesus(as) will you find he forbade polygamy.

Also he never brought an end to capital Punishment. Even Christian Theologians are in agreement the story of the adulteress was not in the bible. It was a later addition and never occurred
See these links

The Story of the Adulteress

Edwards Hills on the Story of the Adulteress

The Sacred Page: Was the Story of the Woman Caught in Adultery Really a Later Addition to the Gospel of John?

Is this story in the Gospel of John?

Readers of contemporary Bibles are often surprised to learn that the story of the woman taken in adultery was probably not placed within the Gospel of John until sometime after the Gospel was already circulating without it. Absent from surviving very early copies on papyrus and from every grand fourth- and fifth-century Bible, the earliest copy of the Gospel of John to include the passage is part of Codex Bezae, a fifth-century Greek-Latin manuscript likely copied in Syria. Codex Bezae treats the story as if it were fully part of the Gospel, suggesting that the passage was placed within John at some earlier point, though Bezae preserves a rather unique text and not only of John.

The Woman Caught in Adultery

 

[Pegg]

No where in the words of Jesus(as) will you find he forbade polygamy.

Also he never brought an end to capital Punishment. Even Christian Theologians are in agreement the story of the adulteress was not in the bible. It was a later addition and never occurred
See these links

The Story of the Adulteress

Edwards Hills on the Story of the Adulteress

The Sacred Page: Was the Story of the Woman Caught in Adultery Really a Later Addition to the Gospel of John?



The Woman Caught in Adultery

Yes we are well aware of that account about the adulteress being a forgery....thats why we didnt include it in our New World Translation bible.

But with regard to polygamy, how can a person with multiple wives not be an adulterer? Jesus said plainly that Gods standard for marriage is seen in Adam and Eve when God put them together in marriage. He said "a man will leave his mother and father and he must stick to his wife and the two will become 'ONE' flesh, Therefore, what God has yolked together LET NO MAN PUT APART'

AS soon as you add 2 or 3 or 4 , you can no longer be called 'one flesh' therefore you are not practicing marriage in the way that God intended.

And this is why the Christian writings are clear that a man is to have only one wife. To honor God, we must honor his will and it is his will that marriage be binding between one man and one woman. If we claim to honor and respect God, we will show that in how we live our life and how we apply his Will in our life. If God wants marriage to be between one man and one woman, who are we to change it? Why must our will override Gods? That is not respecting or submitting to God at all.

 

[muhammad_isa]

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AS soon as you add 2 or 3 or 4 , you can no longer be called 'one flesh' therefore you are not practicing marriage in the way that God intended.

Don't be silly .. marriage is about 1 man marrying 1 woman .. a man who has more than one wife does not (or should not!) sleep with them simultaneously