Muslims the least educated in the world?

[gnostic]

All with leanings of Abdul Wahhab

My knowledge on sects of Islam is worse than that of Christianity and Judaism, so correct me if I am wrong. And I really don't know much about Wahhab or his Wahhabi movement...

But isn't Wahhbadism offshoot of Sunni?

 

[vskipper]

Yes however.... Abdul Wahhab was so far gone that his own father & brother thought he was a nutjob. For instance, here in the U.S. the Mrmons are nonviolent but.imagine if they encouraged following the punishments of old testament while being backed by the U.S. congress, executive & judicial branch. This is what is occuring with wahhabism in the middle east

 

[Nakosis]

Whats your opinion is now the question.

Genetics, at least part of the answer.
I think it would explain a few things not otherwise explained by education.

I've been trying to bring it up but apparently no interest in going down that road.

Education and poverty doesn't account for the exception in both cases. The educated or wealthy terrorist. Or the poor, uneducated but otherwise "good" individual.

You want to blame religion, except we create religion. We alter it mold it, to fit it to the morality we already have. If a person was born with a violent nature, then their religious belief, whatever it happen to be would reflect that.

Serial killers like Dahmer have been reported to act in "disturbing" manners at very early ages.

There are variances in genetic transfer of course, however what if the genetic material produce an above curve of violent individuals?

I'm just trying to understand a cause an effect like I think you are. Genetics just seems a more plausible explanation at this point.

 

[icehorse]

Really? And yet most private schools encourage memorization techniques for studying because it remains. Especially when done in the manner done by muslims.

Geeze. I swear it is really p*ssing (seriously pis*ing is considered profanity? What is this the victorian age?) me off. Ya'll keep making such ignorant statements I have to defend Islam & I don't even agree with Islam (theologically).

And most *good* schools do not encourage memorization. Again, a very small amount here and there.

Memorization of facts is - pedagogically speaking - EXTREMELY inefficient.

vskipper - you better have some awesome understanding of pedagogy before you go around slapping "ignorant" labels on posts.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

A slight (but I think only slight), tangent:

1400 years ago humans didn't know very much about the world. For a modern child today to get a good education they have to learn many times as much as their grandparents had to learn. What a modern child with a good education learns these days is HUNDREDS OF TIMES what anyone knew 1400 years ago.

With all that said, how many Muslim kids these days are spending their precious education time memorizing scripture? From teaching and learning perspective, memorization is a very inefficient approach to education. A small amount of memorization is useful (for example memorizing multiplication tables up to maybe the 12's is a good idea). But for the most part, memorizing wastes precious time.

Response: Unfortunately, this is by far the most inaccurate claim concerning memorization and education. For not only am I living proof that such a claim Iis innacurate, but psychology itself proves that memorization is the key element to being very intellectual and educated. Practice makes perfection. The reason being is that practice builds memory since it is often repeated, and what is often repeated can be easily recalled by the mind and put into practice. So memory is the actual secret ingredient if you may, to intelligence. Again, I know this firsthand, as I excel academically (in all humility) in everything I've ever attempted when I apply this principle and teach it to others who wonder why and how I excel in education with such ease.

 

[outhouse]

None of which changes the fact that Oppression causes a lack of education. .

Captain obvious scores!


great you figured out one small aspect of the lack of education in islam.


yet still failed to address the OP's questions, now try and put some honesty into it

Does this lack of education promote violence and terrorism due to poverty associated with ignorance?

Does religious belief promote this lack of education?

OR does lack of education promote religious belief?

 

[icehorse]

Response: Unfortunately, this is by far the most inaccurate claim concerning memorization and education. For not only am I living proof that such a claim Iis innacurate, but psychology itself proves that memorization is the key element to being very intellectual and educated. Practice makes perfection. The reason being is that practice builds memory since it is often repeated, and what is often repeated can be easily recalled by the mind and put into practice. So memory is the actual secret ingredient if you may, to intelligence. Again, I know this firsthand, as I excel academically (in all humility) in everything I've ever attempted when I apply this principle and teach it to others who wonder why and how I excel in education with such ease.

This is the "because I had surgery, I'm a surgeon" argument.

Everyone thinks that they're experts in education, but guess what - it requires advanced study to understand education. Having been educated does NOT make you an expert in education.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

This is the "because I had surgery, I'm a surgeon" argument.

Everyone thinks that they're experts in education, but guess what - it requires advanced study to understand education. Having been educated does NOT make you an expert in education.

Response: Rather, this is the "I have practical evidence you cannot refute argument". For you have no logical basis to support your claim. An academic with the qualifications of an expert is an expert in education.

 

[icehorse]

If you have not studied to be a teacher, then to claim to understand education is to insult teachers everywhere. I am a teacher by profession. I have studied education as a discipline. If you have as well, then we can debate pedagogical orientations.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Captain obvious scores!


great you figured out one small aspect of the lack of education in islam.


yet still failed to address the OP's questions, now try and put some honesty into it

Response: in other words, you failed to refute the fact that lack of education is the result of oppression and not religion, thus making my point. Thanks.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

If you have not studied to be a teacher, then to claim to understand education is to insult teachers everywhere. I am a teacher by profession. I have studied education as a discipline. If you have as well, then we can debate pedagogical orientations.

Response: Being intelligent does not come from studying to be a teacher so your claim is invalid and an insult to all academics. I am a certified academic, so I know the discipline and reasoning as to what makes an intelligent person excel above the norm. When you have the same credential, then we can debate education.

 

[icehorse]

rofl - I think you got the wrong guy, I didn't have a horse in that particular race.

But I can address it now - for the first time... I would say that many factors often contribute to a lack of education. Here are some factors that often do:

- Locally imposed oppression
- Remotely imposed oppression (this is the sort I imagine you're talking about)
- Valuing faith more than logic and evidence (many religions have this problem)
- Attachment to outdated practices
- Poverty
- Cultural disregard for true education
- Leaders that require indoctrination to stay in power

So, yes, foreign oppression is sometimes a factor. But religion often plays into many factors that reduce the quality of a society's education.

 

[icehorse]

Response: Being intelligent does not come from studying to be a teacher so your claim is invalid and an insult to all academics. I am a certified academic, so I know the discipline and reasoning as to what makes an intelligent person excel above the norm. When you have the same credential, then we can debate education.

I sincerely congratulate you for being an academic!

But you confuse being a great student with being a great teacher.

This is true in many domains: A great musician might be a horrible teacher of musicians, a great soccer player isn't necessarily a great soccer coach...

 

[outhouse]

Response:

You fail to give a straight answer, and provide us with "response"


Which you then have to twist our words to meet your personal agenda.



Do you think the religion need reform to stop the extremism it factually breeds

 

[outhouse]

But religion often plays into many factors that reduce the quality of a society's education.

What about ones that claim their the only right one and that the other religions teachings have been corrupted?

Would these religions following plagiarized mythology claimed as real which also require literalism, impede education?


I mean does YEC factually impede education, in say biology, history and geology???

 

[Al-Fatihah]

I sincerely congratulate you for being an academic!

But you confuse being a great student with being a great teacher.

This is true in many domains: A great musician might be a horrible teacher of musicians, a great soccer player isn't necessarily a great soccer coach...

Response: I never discussed a student vs. a teacher. So you are confusing yourself. I stated that memorization is a key ingredients to being intelligent, which is a fact. You claim it is not. Student vs. teacher is irrelevant in this matter. Yet I will add that even a teacher is a student at first so your distinction is still invalid.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

You fail to give a straight answer, and provide us with "response"


Which you then have to twist our words to meet your personal agenda.



Do you think the religion need reform to stop the extremism it factually breeds

Response: You fail to refute the fact that oppression and not religion causes a lack of education, thus continuing to make my point.

 

[outhouse]

Response: I never discussed a student vs. a teacher. So you are confusing yourself. I stated that memorization is a key ingredients to being intelligent, which is a fact. You claim it is not. Student vs. teacher is irrelevant in this matter. Yet I will add that even a teacher is a student at first so your distinction is still invalid.

lets us acts U a question here.

Do you think Abraham started monotheism under god and followed islam?

 

[outhouse]

Response: You fail to refute the fact that oppression and not religion causes a lack of education, thus continuing to make my point.

You have serious comprehensive issues as I have not stated oppression does not promote a lack of education.

It is you claiming black men in the USA having the same freedom I posses, are still being oppressed by backlash from society, yet failing to substantiate ones position.


You cannot even debate regularly and have to try and tell us what we are trying to say with this "Response" garbage.


You do know intellect and IQ are very different?

 

[outhouse]

If educated islam all debates like this, no wonder they have never quit fighting.

Maybe the definition of peaceful honest debate, has eluded many of them.


And if islam is a peaceful religion, why are they part of the most violent barbaric cultures?