Muslims the least educated in the world?

[Smart_Guy]

Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment) - WikiIslam)


Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read). In Christendom, adult literacy rate stands at 78 percent


40% of muslims can read...............................


Than that would mean that 60% of so called Muslims never even read the Quran. They only know what someone tells them is in it. Maybe that has more to do with so many becoming radical.

I think your rant against Islam is totally misplaced. To imply that a religion whose bible that the majority of people can't read is the cause is ludicrous, my friend. People in third world countries are born into a predominate Islamic culture as are people in the industrialized countries are born into a Christian culture. I suggest if you want a fair comparison, use the numbers of Muslims born in industrialized nations.

That's a very good point. In the end, the offender brought backfire to them selves

Least educated means low reading back ground and that includes the reading the Quran, the main source of Islam. This means whatever the world face from Muslims, does not necessarily reflect Islam nor Muslims in general, but only those specific Muslims themselves, who happen to be oblivious of Islam in its true form. And besides, they are uneducated and that was mentioned in the OP clearly. According to that logic, why would anyone blame the uneducated instead of the bad/lack of education it self? I'm an educated Muslim. Dunno if there is anything I said here on RF that proves Muslims in general and Islam are bad.

Don't worry much about rants against Islam btw. There are some members here on RF known for being here specifically for that (dunno how they are allowed to stay here knowing they have a specific target to intentionally bash). I'm Muslim and I know it is not worth it nor it will affect Islam and Muslims

 

[Chev Chelios]

To put it simply, yes. .

To put simply - no. Not unless that religion lands on Earth from outer space and then proceeds to evolve in an isolated bubble immune to any influence from the outside world - which wouldn't happen so I fail to see how you can make such an argument work.

I argue that religions start from the stage of the cultures that surround them were/are at, from which they then develop with the passing of time as they benefit from exchanges of culture, philosophy, demographics and trade. Indeed, we know this to be very true in the case of Islam because it conquered two of the most advanced civilisations very early in its development - Persia and Byzantine - thus absorbing some of the planet's most advanced cultures and its most learned minds putting it in a phenomenally advance position it could never have been in if it had developed to its own volition.

As I said before, unless anyone is putting across the idea that Moslems are a different species which landed on Earth from outer space in the 7th century after which they then remained in a social vacuum, completely isolated from the rest of humanity and completely immune to outside interference for 1400 years - then I think we can see how factitious this whole idea of Islam being younger than Christianity and so it is therefore ‘behind’ it is.

If we further look at this idea of religion and age then it really shouldn't be lost on anyone that in 2014 Islam exists in a very different world to the one Christianity was privy too when it was the same age (1414) where vast frontiers to unknown, unformed or embryonic ideas of secularism and human rights existed. Barriers which were overcome with painstaking reform and human evolution meaning Islam doesn't have to undergo these processes in quite the same laborious way for the groundwork has all been laid out before it.

In 2014, Islam is privy to religious and civilisation development which by definition will assist transition - a transition speeded up further by the speed and scope of how information can now reach humanity via numerous means of communication which enables ideas and knowledge to be passed trans-nationally and permeate our consciousness osmotically in the modern age far more rapidly than at anytime in human history. These facts leave us to conclude that Islam has absolutely no excuse for having not 'caught up'.

This is just not a plausible argument and so if we disregard this ridiculous idea which only acts to be an excuse we must consider why Islam is where it is. I say because the faith promotes the following of a mediaeval culture and book which states that it contains all the answers.

 

[FearGod]

That's a very good point. In the end, the offender brought backfire to them selves

Least educated means low reading back ground and that includes the reading the Quran, the main source of Islam. This means whatever the world face from Muslims, does not necessarily reflect Islam nor Muslims in general, but only those specific Muslims themselves, who happen to be oblivious of Islam in its true form. And besides, they are uneducated and that was mentioned in the OP clearly. According to that logic, why would anyone blame the uneducated instead of the bad/lack of education it self? I'm an educated Muslim. Dunno if there is anything I said here on RF that proves Muslims in general and Islam are bad.

Don't worry much about rants against Islam btw. There are some members here on RF known for being here specifically for that (dunno how they are allowed to stay here knowing they have a specific target to intentionally bash). I'm Muslim and I know it is not worth it nor it will affect Islam and Muslims

That is a great point, the uneducated people won't be able to realize and understand the quran or even what Islam means and i may add that the uneducated Muslims i think are as ignorant as the author of this thread but i wonder that he is using an anti Islam source which is really a stupid thing to do.

I suggested in my previous post to think about the connection between wine and terrorism,Muslims don't drink wine then that may be responsible for producing Terrorists.

 

[Smart_Guy]

That is a great point, the uneducated people won't be able to realize and understand the quran or even what Islam means and i may add that the uneducated Muslims i think are as ignorant as the author of this thread but i wonder that he is using an anti Islam source which is really a stupid thing to do.

I suggested in my previous post to think about the connection between wine and terrorism,Muslims don't drink wine then that may be responsible for producing Terrorists.

It was actually Tabb's finding. The credit goes to him

 

[FearGod]

It was actually Tabb's finding. The credit goes to him

Yes indeed i didn't read, both have frubal for the good point.

 

[Chev Chelios]

That is a great point, the uneducated people won't be able to realize and understand the quran or even what Islam means and i may add that the uneducated Muslims i think are as ignorant as the author of this thread but i wonder that he is using an anti Islam source which is really a stupid thing to do.

I suggested in my previous post to think about the connection between wine and terrorism,Muslims don't drink wine then that may be responsible for producing Terrorists.

So all you have just done then is lend support to the Author of this threads exact point. See, you say the uneducated cannot understand Islam and yet as has been pointed out the majority of Moslems in the Moslem majority world are illiterate and uneducated so therefore we can conclude that most Moslems cannot understand Islam if we use your own criteria. I don't agree with your argument of education explaining Islam's problems by the way.

Oh - I personally don't think you understand your faith either because you misquoted your book in a different thread and after me asking you 3 times to explain why you did this you still haven't replied.

 

[oldbadger]

That is a great point, the uneducated people won't be able to realize and understand the quran or even what Islam means and i may add that the uneducated Muslims i think are as ignorant as the author of this thread but i wonder that he is using an anti Islam source which is really a stupid thing to do.

I suggested in my previous post to think about the connection between wine and terrorism,Muslims don't drink wine then that may be responsible for producing Terrorists.

Methinks the OP does protest too much. !! (Please excuse the quasi-plagiarism! )

Over a couple of years I have come to believe, through reading his posts, that the OP is not as well educated as he protests. This could be the impetus for constantly barraging other members over their ignorance, lack of education, etc etc. And the OP's English would be my first focus for interest.

Education is all about preparation for survival within our own 'worlds', cultures and societies. Where a person needs particular skills to earn their keep then these skills must come before all else. It might not be necessary for that person to be literate.

Further to that, I would firstly measure quality of life by the levels of contentment within communities, secondly by levels of happiness within individuals.

Over 2.5 years on RF I have come to believe that people in the US, for instance, are not beside themselves with happiness and contentment, rather they seem to be critical and skeptical about their own world.... yet they seem to hold IQ and education on high as the ultimate achievements after wealth and status!

I don't expect to get away with this post 'Scot-Free' as we say here, but the OP has shown that happiness, contentment and fulfillment do seem to have evaded his clutches.

So let's .... by all means..... encourage societies to improve their educational standards and targets, but let's also leave them out of our own messed up main objectives.

 

[FearGod]

So all you have just done then is lend support to the Author of this threads exact point. See, you say the uneducated cannot understand Islam and yet as has been pointed out the majority of Moslems in the Moslem majority world are illiterate and uneducated so therefore we can conclude that most Moslems cannot understand Islam if we use your own criteria. I don't agree with your argument of education explaining Islam's problems by the way.

Oh - I personally don't think you understand your faith either because you misquoted your book in a different thread and after me asking you 3 times to explain why you did this you still haven't replied.

Yes the uneducated weren't able to understand religion because they can't read and search for the truth and similarly i think that some can read but were stupid enough to believe that the anti Islam websites are telling the truth which isn't.

Where did you ask me about my faith that i didn't reply.

 

[ShivaFan]

No way.

One of my favorite authors is Albiruni, viz Abū al-Rayhān Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Bīrūnī the Muslim scholar on travel adventure (including India), on math and physics, the sciences and astronomy, natural science, linguist and historian.

Sure we have the "throw backs" and ignoramus jihadees and terrorist cults. But we have the contrast to that as well. I am not sure about these statistics either since (actually I didn't read the link) such surveys-stats often incorporate African muslims who have high illiteracy. I see a LOT of illiterate Christians in California who cannot even read or write their own language properly which is Spanish much less English, and that is the illegal aliens invading over the Mexican border. So if you do the same stats inclusive of this example I don't think the results would be that far off for Christians than these stats. America is literally importing illiteracy at this juncture.

 

[Godobeyer]

I read it was made by Christians at some point. Still even it is is or was it is just opinion unless backed by a good source.

thanks for this enlighting ,

btw is least educated nation could less criminal ? it's could be yes and could be no .

i am not provoke here , i just post an opinion :
USA had good education , but it's had high rate in crimes , how you explain that contradiction ?

 

[Tabb]

thanks for this enlighting ,

btw is least educated nation could less criminal ? it's could be yes and could be no .

i am not provoke here , i just post an opinion :
USA had good education , but it's had high rate in crimes , how you explain that contradiction ?

That actually is excellent example of education and radical behavior. In the USA their is a major chasm between the rich and the poor. One of the by products of this is the quality of education these 2 classes receive. The wealthy get a top of the line education while the poor receive little or none. There is an inverse relationship between crime and quality of education. Lower the quality the higher crime.

 

[Godobeyer]

That actually is excellent example of education and radical behavior. In the USA their is a major chasm between the rich and the poor. One of the by products of this is the quality of education these 2 classes receive. The wealthy get a top of the line education while the poor receive little or none. There is an inverse relationship between crime and quality of education. Lower the quality the higher crime.

thanks for this good explaination .

for my opinion the poverity is a main facture to the voilence around the world .
notice the latina countries had high rate of crimes too because of poverity

I always said , the criminal rate linked to poverity in Muslim world , notice richest countries like Saudia Arabia and Emirates , Qatar . for exemple , had low rate of crimes and violence.

and for others Muslim countries had more rate of voilence , and civil wars .


my question is : why whom critic Muslims , avoid to look to this main facture , and focus only in attacking Islam.

 

[Chev Chelios]

Yes the uneducated weren't able to understand religion because they can't read and search for the truth and similarly i think that some can read but were stupid enough to believe that the anti Islam websites are telling the truth which isn't.

Where did you ask me about my faith that i didn't reply.

You keep saying this except if you go to the thread "Islam was spread by the sword" and look at posts #1373, #1412 and #1449 you will see me asking you the same question. I do not expect an answer fourth time around either.

 

[Bunyip]

thanks for this good explaination .

for my opinion the poverity is a main facture to the voilence around the world .
notice the latina countries had high rate of crimes too because of poverity

I always said , the criminal rate linked to poverity in Muslim world , notice richest countries like Saudia Arabia and Emirates , Qatar . for exemple , had low rate of crimes and violence.

and for others Muslim countries had more rate of voilence , and civil wars .


my question is : why whom critic Muslims , avoid to look to this main facture , and focus only in attacking Islam.

Because Islam represents the unknown, people are fearful. We fear what we do not understand,.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

Who said to you that muslims think that the world was created only 10000 years ago ?

That only proves how ignorant you are about Islam.

In that sentence he was taking about YEC (young earth creationists) not muslims.

 

[LuisDantas]

I have been in dirt poor christian countries in Latin America in areas that have almost no education at all, and it was the safest place I have ever been. There is really no comparison here. And these were sort of tribal people.

Really? I was just thinking how similar the situations are. Quite a lot of Latin America isn't very safe at all.

 

[FearGod]

You keep saying this except if you go to the thread "Islam was spread by the sword" and look at posts #1373, #1412 and #1449 you will see me asking you the same question. I do not expect an answer fourth time around either.

#1373 was for one-answer and not for me
#1412 you didn't agree with a Jewish professor who confirms the golden age of Jews during the Islamic empire in Spain, so you denied a historical fact.
#1449 Your question wasn't for me as you said that you asked me the same question in 2 different occasions which isn't true, maybe you are confused between me and one-answer.

 

[Sunstone]

Assuming Muslims are the least educated people in the world -- and that is a huge assumption (I suspect a 40% literacy rate would be the envy of at least several non-Muslim nations) -- it would still remain to be seen whether Islam was a significant cause of such a low rate of literacy. As for myself, I don't know enough to say one way or the other.

 

[xkatz]

Islam may have some role to play, but I'd say it has far more to do with geopolitical and cultural realities than the religion itself.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

thanks for this enlighting ,

btw is least educated nation could less criminal ? it's could be yes and could be no .

i am not provoke here , i just post an opinion :
USA had good education , but it's had high rate in crimes , how you explain that contradiction ?

On the education thing...our education system is stratified. Our public schools are terrible by most standards (we're 36th in the world or something now?) but our lower income neighborhoods get even worse education. And those are the children that end up growing up to be criminals. But if we look at the schools that do get better funding and better education standards you get higher rates of graduation and better prospects for the average student that comes out of those.

There are a lot of other inherent factors having to do with the crime rate in America. Though America's crime rate is pretty good compared to places that don't have public education at all.