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[Revoltingest]

No Fiscal Libertarianism?

We have that here, but it doesn't define us.
(The RF definition of "libertarian" is unconventional to those of us who read/listen to
US media or think of the Libertarian Party. Taking me a while to get used to this.)
Being socially minarchist or anarchist is what looks paramount.

 

[Tarheeler]

So am I a member of Libertarian DIR?

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...3-definitions-restricted-political-areas.html

When people ask you what your political identity is, how do you answer?

 

[Revoltingest]

So am I a member of Libertarian DIR?

What do you think, based upon the RF definition & our discussion?

 

[Phil25]

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...finitions-restricted-political-areas.htmlWhen

When people ask you what your political identity is, how do you answer?

Page Not Found, it says when clicking the link.

 

[Tarheeler]

Page Not Found, it says when clicking the link.

I'll fix it. In the mean time, how do you answer?

Do you say you're a Libertarian? A Republican? A Conservative? A Democrat?
How do you self identify politically, Phil?

 

[Revoltingest]

Page Not Found, it says when clicking the link.

From the definitions....

Libertarian: This term means very different things depending on where one is located, but the general philosophy is that liberty is paramount. In the US, it is generally used to describe right-libertarianism; this ideology tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, and can be described as minarchist. In Europe, the term is typically used for left-libertarianism; this ideology stresses social justice and individual freedom, and is often described as libertarian socialism. People who find themselves in this ideology often identify with political organizations such as: the Libertarian Party (US), the Libertarian Party of Canada, the Occupy Movement, and the “New Left” Movement.

Like minimal government?
Like government not restricting us in social areas?
Like the Libertarian Party platform?
Yeses here point to being afflicted with "libertarianism".

Note: Many libertarians I know were/are Democrats or Republicans, but felt a little
ill at ease there because they didn't know about the dark side, ie, libertarianism.

 

[Phil25]

I'll fix it. In the mean time, how do you answer?

Do you say you're a Libertarian? A Republican? A Conservative? A Democrat?
How do you self identify politically, Phil?

No one answer. Depends. Fiscally Libertarian, Socially Conservative. As for voting, it would be strategic. Vote Republican in Presidential/Congressional elections because a Libertarian has very less chance of winning and if a Democrat wins, he/she would not represent my Fiscal Libertarian views.

 

[Phil25]

From the definitions....
Like minimal government?
Like government not restricting us in social areas?
Like the Libertarian Party platform?
Yeses here point to being afflicted with "libertarianism".

Note: Many libertarians I know were/are Democrats or Republicans, but felt a little
ill at ease there because they didn't know about the dark side, ie, libertarianism.

So I am a Libertarian according to the definition

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So I am a Libertarian according to the definition

No. You are socially conservative.

 

[Revoltingest]

So I am a Libertarian according to the definition

I don't know.

Edit:
I just noticed the "social conservative".
That's a deal breaker.
Too bad.
Let's hope we become <green> so you may post.

 

[Iti oj]

I don't know.

Edit:
I just noticed the "social conservative".
That's a deal breaker.
Too bad.
Let's hope we become <green> so you may post.

Look Both camps found more middle ground.

 

[Tarheeler]

No one answer. Depends. Fiscally Libertarian, Socially Conservative. As for voting, it would be strategic. Vote Republican in Presidential/Congressional elections because a Libertarian has very less chance of winning and if a Democrat wins, he/she would not represent my Fiscal Libertarian views.

Based on this, you'd most likely fall into the Conservative group.

 

[Phil25]

Are Socialists allowed to post here?
Or is it just Social Liberalism that makes one Libertarian.
I am Socially Conservative, Sure.
But I am Fiscal Libertarian too.
Do you have to be both Social Libertarian and Fiscal Libertarian to post here?
Because many here get to post in both Socialist DIR and Liberal DIR along with Libertarian DIR.

 

[Iti oj]

Are Socialists allowed to post here?
Or is it just Social Liberalism that makes one Libertarian.
I am Socially Conservative, Sure.
But I am Fiscal Libertarian too.
Do you have to be both Social Libertarian and Fiscal Libertarian to post here?
Because many here get to post in both Socialist DIR and Liberal DIR along with Libertarian DIR.

The socialists here are anarchist not statist's. Do you understand?

 

[Revoltingest]

Are Socialists allowed to post here?

IMO, only if the socialists don't believe in government imposing it upon us.
They'd favor individuals voluntarily associating with that kind of relationship.
So "libertarian socialists" (left libertarians) could post in both forums.
Weird...even I fit the definition of "libertarian socialist" without knowing it,
since I've advocated voluntary socialism before. But I refuse to identify
as a socialist (a requirement)....it sounds far too grim & authoritarian to me.

(Methinks these left leaning types in management game the definitions
so they & their buds can post nearly everywhere. Yeah....conspiracy!)

Or is it just Social Liberalism that makes one Libertarian.

Social liberalism appears to be our singular shared trait.

I am Socially Conservative, Sure.

Again, it's a deal breaker.

But I am Fiscal Libertarian too.

I heartily approve, but this alone doesn't get you in the door.

Do you have to be both Social Libertarian and Fiscal Libertarian to post here?

Fiscal libertarianism in the sense that we'd have minimal government spending could
arguably be required, since we all appear to be minarchists or anarchists. (Who ever
heard of a minarchist or anarchist tax-&-spend-big-government?) This is fodder for
discussion, & my annoyance of many.

Because many here get to post in both Socialist DIR and Liberal DIR along with Libertarian DIR.

Yeah....that should be sorted out.
Since the definition of "liberal" is about modern liberalism, their penchant
for big government would disallow their membership here. Note that both
Alceste & I have posted in the Liberal Only forum before, but now we don't.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Are Socialists allowed to post here?
Or is it just Social Liberalism that makes one Libertarian.
I am Socially Conservative, Sure.
But I am Fiscal Libertarian too.
Do you have to be both Social Libertarian and Fiscal Libertarian to post here?
Because many here get to post in both Socialist DIR and Liberal DIR along with Libertarian DIR.

You see the things both right libertarians and left libertarian are pretty big on social libertarianism. Libertarians believe in maximizing personal and social liberty and minimizing government. And we kinda don't go with the using force to impose upon people that which would limit their freedom thing.

 

[Iti oj]

IMO, only if the socialists don't believe in government imposing it upon us.
They'd favor individuals voluntarily associating with that kind of relationship.
So "libertarian socialists" (left libertarians) could post in both forums.
Weird...even I fit the definition of "libertarian socialist" without knowing it,
since I've advocated voluntary socialism before. But I refuse to identify
as a socialist (a requirement)....it sounds far too authoritarian to me.

Social liberalism appears to be are singular shared trait.

Again, deal breaker.

I heartily approve, but this alone doesn't get you in the door.

Fiscal libertarianism in the sense that we'd have minimal government spending could arguably be required, since we all appear to be minarchists or anarchists. (Who ever heard of a minarchist or anarchist tax-&-spend-big-government?) This is fodder for discussion, & my annoyance of many.

Yeah....that should be sorted out.

I owe you frubals

 

[Phil25]

Well if members of Libertarian DIR themselves dont want me here, Whats the point in wanting to be here? So I quit.
But I still dont understand how come Socialists get to post in Liberal DIR, Libertarian DIR.

 

[Tarheeler]

Are Socialists allowed to post here?
Or is it just Social Liberalism that makes one Libertarian.
I am Socially Conservative, Sure.
But I am Fiscal Libertarian too.
Do you have to be both Social Libertarian and Fiscal Libertarian to post here?
Because many here get to post in both Socialist DIR and Liberal DIR along with Libertarian DIR.

Some libertarians are capitalists, and others are socialists. And we can post in our respective areas.

Based on your posts, it seems like you are a classical liberal when it comes to economics; lassaize-faire capitalism, minimal government oversight of the economy, etc.. That, when paired with social conservatism, is just about the perfect description of what we consider to be a conservative.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Well if Libertarians of Libertarian DIR themselves dont want me here

We did not say that! In fact we are discussing having an open house.

But I still dont understand how come Socialists get to post in Liberal DIR, Libertarian DIR.

Because socialism is a broad idea like capitalism.