Enough!

[Pegg]

How do I explain my point....they can't explain their belief in a mansculine inheritence of their opinion of what their vision of heaven is like.
There seems to be a pointed focus on the opinion of all men to make the feminine position to be unimportant to social meaning.
"All you women be quiet, listen to what Paul is about to say to you". Be like the cattle in the field and do your duties to provide milk.
In not performing this "duty" you are in fact the "winner", don't let them have "your" milk.
Like I have said, don't listen to Paul, or John, or Matthew.....follow your chosen leader, which is Jesus and your Creator.
~
I'm not making myself clear enough here, but I'm trying....do you question my motives or my reasons...all in all, you are winning.
~
'mud

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus

 

[savagewind]

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus

Oh come on! If a woman came with good news of Jesus Christ YOU COULD NOT BELIEVE IT! Because the governing body are only men. Everything you hold dear about the Kingdom of God MEN told you.

 

[savagewind]

You may think you are winning with yourself by ignoring every difference, you could be winning with the Governing Body (but really, I think they don't know you from Adam) you might even believe you are winning with most people on forum but you are certainly not winning by the true meaning of dabate. What is it ignoring every Bible disagreement? Do you think God is pleased?

Proverbs 15:22 Plans fail when there is no consultation,
But there is accomplishment through many advisers.

But your plan is not to establish truth on the earth. I do not know what the governing body are planning but I know what YOU are. You are planning to be clean for the Judgement of Jesus who you believe will put you on Paradise Earth for your being clean.

 

[savagewind]

It is a perfect strategy! Bravo! What is? Ignoring me......for who though?

 

[savagewind]

The answer? Satan.

2 Thessalonians 2;9-12 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

b. specifically, unrighteousness by which others are deceived: John 7:18 (opposed to ἀληθής μαμωνᾶς τῆς ἀδικίας deceitful riches,

Personally I would not know the delight that comes with Satan's power to mislead seeing that I never led a soul anywhere and I believe a person cannot lead herself.

A leader is a person who leads (someone else). The verb lead neads a subject. That's at least two. The leader is one and who he leads is two.

Am I wrong?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Oh come on! If a woman came with good news of Jesus Christ YOU COULD NOT BELIEVE IT! Because the governing body are only men. Everything you hold dear about the Kingdom of God MEN told you.

What is wrong with a man speaking? It does not mean women cannot speak. But there is order in all things.

I think I would listen to a woman who said good things, yes. Good things are good things; but there is always a lot to consider

 

[Robert.Evans]

How do I explain my point....they can't explain their belief in a mansculine inheritence of their opinion of what their vision of heaven is like.
There seems to be a pointed focus on the opinion of all men to make the feminine position to be unimportant to social meaning.
"All you women be quiet, listen to what Paul is about to say to you". Be like the cattle in the field and do your duties to provide milk.
In not performing this "duty" you are in fact the "winner", don't let them have "your" milk.
Like I have said, don't listen to Paul, or John, or Matthew.....follow your chosen leader, which is Jesus and your Creator.
~
I'm not making myself clear enough here, but I'm trying....do you question my motives or my reasons...all in all, you are winning.
~
'mud

what makes you think that there is a difference in Paul speaking and the lord?

 

[savagewind]

What is wrong with a man speaking? It does not mean women cannot speak. But there is order in all things.

I think I would listen to a woman who said good things, yes. Good things are good things; but there is always a lot to consider

How did you read this as me saying there is something wrong with a man speaking? I learned from men. And I suppose I am still learning from them.

 

[savagewind]

There is a difference beween God Words which are extremely few, Jesus' words which lead to everlasting life, Paul's words that got accepted into the canon , your words, and my words.

In that order. :bow:

 

[savagewind]

I have been publishing my disagreements with the words of the governing body. Jesus says "consider yourselves least". My disagreements with them have (many times) been called slanderous. I personally can not see how it is possible for any "Christian" to disagree with my rule here; God Words which are extremely few, Jesus' words which lead to everlasting life, Paul's words that got accepted into the canon , your words, and my words.
In that order.

But they do! The governing body have made themselves equal to God's words. God as savior. Governing body as savior. Am I an idiot?

 

[savagewind]

I guess so!

 

[`mud]

In respect to Saul(Paul), He projected interpretations of memories that others had. He had no recollections of his own of what Jesus really said.
Most of the letters and repetitions of what Jesus portrayed as God's words were only loosly remembered by older men with a loss of what Jesus really said.
A lot of versions of Isaiah's writings and of Abraham's rules were not Jesus' final thoughts about what the scriptures really meant.
Jesus was caught up in the politics of cross beliefs and never got a chance to express himself fully, with regards to his creator.
We now have only those interpretations to read, somewhat altered by Catholicistic meandering of preists and kings, not ordained by anyone.
Saul(Paul) didn't have even these renderings, and was hanged for his distortions, and poor Petre, oh well......
The message was for the women in the flock, that came from men, to be obeyed to.... etc, etc.
~
Anyway...women are still feeling the weight of the pressures excerted upon women by Saul's(Paul's) mis-understandings of Isaiah's rules for all the women.
Read song of songs 8 or so, Saul(Paul) was absolutely wrong about those thoughts.
Ahhhhhhhhh......the message of the men among us....how rewarding have they been ?
~
Ahhh crap...I forgot my train of thought...oh well,
Nuff stuff,
'mud

 

[savagewind]

You know? I think if I had been the same poster but male I would not have got so much in your face contempt from the on-line ladies. I really do.

And they haven't answered me anything yet.

The important question that has gone unanswered is "why do the Jehovah's Witnesses prove their own righteousness by a book belonging to Babylon the Great who they say God has already deemed unrighteous?"

If the tree is bad the fruit is bad.......but not always (according to the ladies)

 

[JayJayDee]

You know? I think if I had been the same poster but male I would not have got so much in your face contempt from the on-line ladies. I really do.

You think? Good grief, what has gender got to do with anything? Since when does the truth depend on gender?

And they haven't answered me anything yet.

We have given comprehensive answers, but you don't believe a single thing we say. :ignore: That is your choice to make.
You are free to believe or to disbelieve anything you like...that is the point. We will all be judged on what we believe....but we must understand that our beliefs may not be true, no matter how sincere we are. The heart can be a betrayer and will get its own selfish way if we let it. (Matt 7:21-23; Jer 17:9)

The important question that has gone unanswered is "why do the Jehovah's Witnesses prove their own righteousness by a book belonging to Babylon the Great who they say God has already deemed unrighteous?"

How twisted. It is not a book that belongs to Babylon the great, it is God's word....in a book that came down through history and, in the hands of Babylon the great, almost went out of existence. If not for the brave souls who had God's spirit and backing to preserve it, it may well have been lost in the cloistered monasteries of men who never served the God of the Bible in the first place.

When it was time to clean up false worship, God sent his messengers into the world to correct his people. In the first century, Jesus was that messenger. In Israel's past, many messengers were used to give correction to God's people to let them know that they had corrupted his worship and that their conduct was unacceptable. Instead of allowing the words of those messengers to correct their error, they killed them in order to silence their stinging words. Nothing has changed. People today would still rather shoot the messenger than correct their erroneous thinking.

God does not operate through individuals. Since forming his people into a nation, he has guided them organizationally. He appointed men to guide his people and to "feed" them spiritually. If one was not part of that organized people, then one was outside of God's arrangement. There is just one table where spiritual "food" is served. And men were appointed to do that. We are not instructed to "feed" ourselves, nor did Jesus say that he was going to feed his disciples individually....but only through this one channel would the entire 'household' be fed. It is up to us to identify that channel and household. We believe we have. You are free to disagree.

The Christian arrangement was to have men were appointed to lead the congregations in worship. We are told to "be obedient" to such ones and to "submit" to their leadership. (Heb 13:17) The fact is, if one refuses to do that then one is not part of God's congregation for Christian worshippers.

'Love among themselves'...being united in worship...being 'no part of the world'....and 'preaching the good news of God's kingdom in all the inhabited earth' is not a task for one person in isolation. Meeting together was required of God's worshippers.
The early Christians were grouped in congregations.
In the Revelation, Christ addresses the congregations, and holds them to account...he does not address individuals.

Hurling insults and casting aspersions on the role of men that God has appointed to shepherd his people was in times past viewed very negatively by God. So it is apparent that either God is acting contrary to his stated methods of the past or he has chosen individuals to operate independently of his organized people for some reason? I find no scripture to indicate that he has done this.

If the tree is bad the fruit is bad.......but not always (according to the ladies)

The first part is very true in essence. But you are insinuating that the word of God is contaminated because Christendom became contaminated. Not so.:no:

Apparently the integrity of the Christian congregation was going to be lost forever in your estimations...and God's word along with it? Christendom did not produce the Bible. It was always God's word, just as it was in the hands of the faithless Pharisees. Their conduct did not invalidate it as the word of God.

It was foretold that a 'cleansing and refining' would take place and that 'insight' would be granted to faithful ones in "the time of the end". (Dan 12:9, 10)

I believe that this has happened and that Babylon the great has been identified and that God's people have obeyed God's command to "get out of her". (Rev 18:4, 5)

You can believe whatever you wish. It's just that none of it meshes with what the Bible says....unless of course God has authorized you to override it.

 

[Shak34]

I'm sorry. I just can't see how ignoring points they don't like is winning. How is it winning?

I don't think it is ever about winning, but about presenting information. Then who ever reads that information has the ability to search more. See if the witnesses are really living the truth or twisting it. Their own literature shows how they are changing there doctrine all of the time, even though the bible says that God never changes.

Malachi 3:6 For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above,+ coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.

 

[savagewind]

You think? Good grief, what has gender got to do with anything? Since when does the truth depend on gender?

You're kidding right? I hear you say my salvation depends solely on how I treat the MEN of the faithful and discreet slave. Thanks for the laugh. OK?

 

[savagewind]

I don't think it is ever about winning, but about presenting information. Then who ever reads that information has the ability to search more. See if the witnesses are really living the truth or twisting it. Their own literature shows how they are changing there doctrine all of the time, even though the bible says that God never changes.

Malachi 3:6 For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above,+ coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.

Yes. Sometimes I imagine we are being graded on our skills or lack of skills debating. It's a debate forum. We win frubals. Do you know them?

 

[Shak34]

Yes. Sometimes I imagine we are being graded on our skills or lack of skills debating. It's a debate forum. We win frubals. Do you know them?

I am slowly learning how this forum works.

 

[savagewind]

God does not operate through individuals

You can't hear yourself think. Can you? I suppose you know about GOD'S SON?

 

[savagewind]

There is just one table where spiritual "food" is served. And men were appointed to do that. We are not instructed to "feed" ourselves, nor did Jesus say that he was going to feed his disciples individually....but only through this one channel would the entire 'household' be fed. It is up to us to identify that channel and household. We believe we have. You are free to disagree.

And it's the table of the faithful and discreet slave who just showed up recently. Everyone before that starved I quess. Even the ones who "the brave souls who had God's spirit and backing to preserve it". What a god who won't even feed brave souls for him. Sorry! No food for you till 2000 and something. But....but....we'll be dead by then! So?