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ESV version. On that day the Lord will punish the hosts of heaven in heaven, and the kings of the earth on the earth.
JPS version starts with In that day.
Hosts of heaven are angels correct? Why would the Lord punish them?
But it says host of heaven in heaven, not fallen angels or fallen hosts, guess im being 2 literal.
I appreciate u and ur views. question: Do u view evil spirits as rebellious towards God?
1 Samuel 16:14 Now the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and an evil spirit from the Lord began to terrify him. Also satan had to get permission from God to tempt Job, satan means adversary and accuser but I dont see satan as being the enemy of God but mans. How can anything oppose the all powerful? isn't that giving satan more credit and power than he has? Which brings me to something else, if demons are hell bent on destruction, wouldnt it be more tactical to possess the man with his finger on a nuke? Since they have free will to act against the Creator?
This is an explanation from the Watchtower:
Scriptural Questions Answered:
1 Samuel 16:14What bad spirit terrorized Saul?
The bad spirit that deprived Saul of his peace of mind was the bad inclination of his mind and hearthis inward urge to do wrong. When Jehovah withdrew his holy spirit, Saul lost its protection and came to be dominated by his own bad spirit. Since God permitted that spirit to replace His holy spirit, this bad spirit is termed a bad spirit from Jehovah.
This makes sense to me because if God is truly loving, and all his creations are good, then there could be no deliberate creation of anything bad. So I dont believe that God would deliberately create a bad angel and send him out to cause havoc.
The love of God would not permit him to act that way. So this explanation really sits well with me. It is in harmony with what we know and believe God to be and how he is described by the bible writers.
1 Samuel 16:14 Now the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and an evil spirit from the Lord began to terrify him. Also satan had to get permission from God to tempt Job, satan means adversary and accuser but I dont see satan as being the enemy of God but mans. How can anything oppose the all powerful? isn't that giving satan more credit and power than he has? Which brings me to something else, if demons are hell bent on destruction, wouldnt it be more tactical to possess the man with his finger on a nuke? Since they have free will to act against the Creator?
This is an explanation from the Watchtower:
Scriptural Questions Answered:
1 Samuel 16:14What bad spirit terrorized Saul?
The bad spirit that deprived Saul of his peace of mind was the bad inclination of his mind and hearthis inward urge to do wrong. When Jehovah withdrew his holy spirit, Saul lost its protection and came to be dominated by his own bad spirit. Since God permitted that spirit to replace His holy spirit, this bad spirit is termed a bad spirit from Jehovah.
This makes sense to me because if God is truly loving, and all his creations are good, then there could be no deliberate creation of anything bad. So I dont believe that God would deliberately create a bad angel and send him out to cause havoc.
The love of God would not permit him to act that way. So this explanation really sits well with me. It is in harmony with what we know and believe God to be and how he is described by the bible writers.
I agree with u, it was in the light of trying to understand where peg was coming from in our discussion on the 1st page. The quote thing doesnt work right or im not doing something right on my lil tablet. I was being sarcastic. That if satan has free will why dont demons possess a man with his finger on a nuke? That if satan has free will, satan can only work within the limits of what God allows. God told satan u can hurt job but not take his life. God was the 1 who pointed out job to satan.
If they had complete free will, then why didn't satan disobey God's command and kill job?
God can and does send evil spirits to fulfill His sovereign will:
1Ki 22:19-23 Then Micaiah said, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, 'I will persuade him.' 22 The LORD said to him, 'In what way?' So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the LORD said, 'You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.' 23 Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you."
I agree with u, it was in the light of trying to understand where peg was coming from in our discussion on the 1st page. The quote thing doesnt work right or im not doing something right on my lil tablet. I was being sarcastic. That if satan has free will why dont demons possess a man with his finger on a nuke? That if satan has free will, satan can only work within the limits of what God allows. God told satan u can hurt job but not take his life. God was the 1 who pointed out job to satan.
So u dont believe in possession but man actually " creates " his own evil urge and it manifests in to an evil spirit? Why did satan need permission to tempt job? Or was God and satan a creation and manifestation of job? Did jesus cast out legion into the herd of pigs? Please, dont feel I am against u, tryin to understand and make sense to me, I agree with not celebrating christmas, etc.
ESV version. On that day the Lord will punish the hosts of heaven in heaven, and the kings of the earth on the earth.
JPS version starts with In that day.
Hosts of heaven are angels correct? Why would the Lord punish them?
That if satan has free will why dont demons possess a man with his finger on a nuke?