Men's Issues/Masculism DIR

[Draka]

I mean, I have no qualms hanging out in a man cave. It's a refuge right?

 

[Professor Paradox]

I voted against this. For the record, I am a gay man.

Men's rights, or masculism or whatever you want to call it is a reaction against women's rights and equality. In the end it's not about gaining "rights" - men have had "rights" above and beyond what they were willing to grant to women for millenia - but about attempting to cling onto the last vestiges of male privilege.

I have the feeling that any “men’s issues” groups would be fraught with sexism, classism, racism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia, and only serve as a platform for criticism of feminism, which others have said is strictly against the forum rules.

In short having a "men's rights" section would be no less absurd than having a "white rights" section; a backlash against progress, tolerance and reason.

However, I do think that there should be a GLBT section on here if the mods would grant one, as GLBT individuals still face a lot of discrimination in Western society (not to mention many societies aroun the world).

 

[Alceste]

I voted against this. For the record, I am a gay man.

Men's rights, or masculism or whatever you want to call it is a reaction against women's rights and equality. In the end it's not about gaining "rights" - men have had "rights" above and beyond what they were willing to grant to women for millenia - but about attempting to cling onto the last vestiges of male privilege.

I have the feeling that any “men’s issues” groups would be fraught with sexism, classism, racism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia, and only serve as a platform for criticism of feminism, which others have said is strictly against the forum rules.

In short having a "men's rights" section would be no less absurd than having a "white rights" section; a backlash against progress, tolerance and reason.

However, I do think that there should be a GLBT section on here if the mods would grant one, as GLBT individuals still face a lot of discrimination in Western society (not to mention many societies aroun the world).

Good idea. Can you tack an "and friends" onto that though? I'm mostly straight, but many of my friends and family are less so.

 

[Alceste]

I mean, I have no qualms hanging out in a man cave. It's a refuge right?

I'll probably just lurk so I can learn how to fix things with duct tape.

 

[Draka]

I voted against this. For the record, I am a gay man.

Men's rights, or masculism or whatever you want to call it is a reaction against women's rights and equality. In the end it's not about gaining "rights" - men have had "rights" above and beyond what they were willing to grant to women for millenia - but about attempting to cling onto the last vestiges of male privilege.

I have the feeling that any “men’s issues” groups would be fraught with sexism, classism, racism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia, and only serve as a platform for criticism of feminism, which others have said is strictly against the forum rules.

In short having a "men's rights" section would be no less absurd than having a "white rights" section; a backlash against progress, tolerance and reason.

However, I do think that there should be a GLBT section on here if the mods would grant one, as GLBT individuals still face a lot of discrimination in Western society (not to mention many societies aroun the world).

First off, there already is such a section.

Second, I don't think you read much of this thread in which child custody issues, domestic violence against men, rape against men, and other issues were brought up.

 

[Draka]

I'll probably just lurk so I can learn how to fix things with duct tape.

LOL, speaking of which, I bought a cool shirt the other day. Bright yellow with a smiley face on it (wasn't all smiley though). Had duct tape across the mouth part and it read..."I like the sound you make when you shut up"

 

[idav]

I mean, I have no qualms hanging out in a man cave. It's a refuge right?

You can hang out if you contribute in the belching contest.

 

[Alceste]

LOL, speaking of which, I bought a cool shirt the other day. Bright yellow with a smiley face on it (wasn't all smiley though). Had duct tape across the mouth part and it read..."I like the sound you make when you shut up"

Ha! I should wear that at home. My hubby and grandma are talkers. I can't get a moment alone with my own thoughts if they're in the room.

 

[idav]

I'll probably just lurk so I can learn how to fix things with duct tape.

That only solves half the fixit issues. You need WD40 to fix everything else.

 

[Draka]

You can hang out if you contribute in the belching contest.

You provide me a 1 liter of Diet Pepsi or a Bud Light and a place to sit, we're all good.

 

[Draka]

That only solves half the fixit issues. You need WD40 to fix everything else.

Amateur...you forgot the hammer

 

[idav]

You provide me a 1 liter of Diet Pepsi or a Bud Light and a place to sit, we're all good.

BL it is then..

Amateur...you forgot the hammer

Oh of course, that's what I have the nine iron for. How could I forget.

 

[freethinker44]

I mean, I have no qualms hanging out in a man cave. It's a refuge right?

Yes it is a refuge. Albeit, a refuge for dick jokes and dirty limericks, but a refuge none the less, and a damn fine one at that.

 

[Apex]

I voted against this. For the record, I am a gay man.

Men's rights, or masculism or whatever you want to call it is a reaction against women's rights and equality. In the end it's not about gaining "rights" - men have had "rights" above and beyond what they were willing to grant to women for millenia - but about attempting to cling onto the last vestiges of male privilege.

I have the feeling that any “men’s issues” groups would be fraught with sexism, classism, racism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia, and only serve as a platform for criticism of feminism, which others have said is strictly against the forum rules.

In short having a "men's rights" section would be no less absurd than having a "white rights" section; a backlash against progress, tolerance and reason.

However, I do think that there should be a GLBT section on here if the mods would grant one, as GLBT individuals still face a lot of discrimination in Western society (not to mention many societies aroun the world).

And here we have a perfect example of why the forum is needed.

 

[Professor Paradox]

First off, there already is such a section.

Second, I don't think you read much of this thread in which child custody issues, domestic violence against men, rape against men, and other issues were brought up.

Well you'd be right about me not reading the rest of the thread. 40 plus pages is a bit much.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I voted against this. For the record, I am a gay man.

Men's rights, or masculism or whatever you want to call it is a reaction against women's rights and equality. In the end it's not about gaining "rights" - men have had "rights" above and beyond what they were willing to grant to women for millenia - but about attempting to cling onto the last vestiges of male privilege.

I have the feeling that any “men’s issues” groups would be fraught with sexism, classism, racism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia, and only serve as a platform for criticism of feminism, which others have said is strictly against the forum rules.

In short having a "men's rights" section would be no less absurd than having a "white rights" section; a backlash against progress, tolerance and reason.

However, I do think that there should be a GLBT section on here if the mods would grant one, as GLBT individuals still face a lot of discrimination in Western society (not to mention many societies aroun the world).

What I hear: "GLBT = Superior. Males = Sexist."

 

[Alceste]

What I hear: "GLBT = Superior. Males = Sexist."

Not listening then. He's saying that establishing a "men's rights advocacy" group in a patriarchal culture is like establishing a "white rights advocacy" group in a racist culture. It just looks weird when people in a position of privilege organize to complain about how hard they've got it compared to a disadvantaged minority (in the case of MRA, women, in the case of white supremacists, black people).

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Not listening then. He's saying that establishing a "men's rights advocacy" group in a patriarchal culture is like establishing a "white rights advocacy" group in a racist culture. It just looks weird when people in a position of privilege organize to complain about how hard they've got it compared to a disadvantaged minority (in the case of MRA, women, in the case of white supremacists, black people).

I know, right? Why doesn't the city make special ramps for entrances into buildings for me? Why are they always taking into consideration people who are chairbound or need a walker to get around anywhere? Why can't *I* have a ramp for a building if I just want one?

I hate how society ignores the walking people like me when we want a ramp.

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Sorry...I couldn't resist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes it is a refuge. Albeit, a refuge for dick jokes and dirty limericks, but a refuge none the less, and a damn fine one at that.

I post dirty limericks all over the place.
I don't need no steenk'n special forum for'm!

 

[Kerr]

I would absolutely love there to be a MRA DIR. As someone who is well versed in MRA, I would jump at the opportunity at establishing a foundation for Men's Rights here, and as well as taking the opportunity to correct many fallacies that I have seen here, in this thread, about MRA.

I would be glad to have it, assuming there is a serious interest and people dont just want it as a reaction to the feminist DIR. Havent voted yet since I am unconvinced thats the case.