uberrobonomicon4000
Active Member
I cant speak for other men or what they think. I can only speak the facts.
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How can someone be a male and be a feminist at the same time?
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Alceste
Vagabond
Yeah no one ever said both sides can’t, and this is where we disagree, because I don’t view it as discrimination to say only women can be feminist, at least those who choose to be feminist, because mind you, not all women are feminist.
So why is a male anti-feminism for saying a male can only be supportive and not be labeled as feminist? Why do you think a male who is pro-feminism should be labeled as a feminist? I don't understand why you or others would view things as black and white. Because that isn't the type of world we live in. Does feminism not believe in diversity or is that against the rules of feminism?
You don't get to decide what labels others can and can not use, especially since you seem to be the only person who holds the view that the label "feminist" can not be applied to anyone who doesn't have a vagina.
Why should anyone accept your arbitrary limitation on what they can call themselves?
That's the thing: the fact is that many men do identify themselves as feminists, but you're claiming that they can't be what they label themselves. You still haven't given a solid argument as to why you think so.
dust1n
Zindīq
I'm telling you as someone who has been through this, expect no recognition of any argument pointing to any of his logical fallacies employed. There is simply no recognition. Explore all you want. All I can say really say is...<
<-- in lieu of the missing "don't feet the troll" smiley... it's a direct translation.
<-- in lieu of the missing "don't feet the troll" smiley... it's a direct translation.
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uberrobonomicon4000
Active Member
Who says I do and why do you think you get to?
uberrobonomicon4000
Active Member
That is because you haven't taken the time to read any of my responses and have chosen to avoid them like most people.
uberrobonomicon4000
Active Member
Still waiting for a decent debate.
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Cut Scene: Peanut butter jelly time peanut butter jelly time! :danana:
Alceste
Vagabond
I don't. I just let people define themselves. When Dustin says he's a feminist, I go "OK, he's a feminist". You've yet to offer any reason he or any other person should defer to your opinion as opposed to their own regarding what labels they can or cannot use.
If I hadn't read them, I wouldn't have known that your position is that males can only be "pro-feminist" but not feminists themselves.
I identify as a feminist myself. What makes you think that I or any other male who identifies as such doesn't know what the label supposedly entails, including whether or not the label is exclusive to a specific gender?
uberrobonomicon4000
Active Member
I can't believe you people are so ignorant of the truth. If you claim to be a feminist then tell me why and quit avoiding the question.
Alceste
Vagabond
Er - one who embraces the philosophy and cause of feminism is a feminist. I don't know how I can make it any simpler for you.
You don't have to be Christ to be Christian either.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hi.......again! I just picked your last post..........
I just typed 'Male Feminism' into Google.
I got offered Wiki's 'Men and Feminism', which I selected.
At the top of the page it read:-
It has been suggested that this article or section be merged into Pro-feminism
..............and so I thought that I would include this for you. And so, your point that a man can be pro-feminist, without being 'feminist', has been noted by wiki contributors, somewhat.
I notice that feminists have been sticking the title 'feminist' onto equal rights promoters who lived before such title existed.
That could be a bit like suggesting that 'save the hedgehog' activists (who build tunnels under roads for them , etc) identify themselves as hedgehogists
D) in future, when in fact many of them might like to be identified as doing much more, also saving dolphins, or badgers D) and prefer the term wildlife activists, or ecologists, or whatever. Very few would want to be hedgehogists!I'm happy to recognise male-feminists, but just wonder why they stop there, and not continue their reasonable viewpoints onwards to full egalitarianism. Come to think of it, females might like to do that as well.
Oh dear, every time I think of the word feminism in future I'm going to visualise an ecologist digging a tunnel under a road for hedgehogs to use, but wearing a 'I'm not a hedgehogist!' T shirt!
dust1n
Zindīq
Because egalitarianism and feminism are not exclusive. I don't need to ditch the word just because I have a much more all encompassing philosophy.
It's not like egalitarianism is not without the same problems.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
You should stick with it, then.
But, as in the simile of the hedgehogist who also has a more encompassing objective and also saves badgers and water voles, to insist to other naturalists that s/he would prefer to stick with the title hedgehogist might seem slightly eccentric to them.
The word egaliterian just encompasses more aspects of rights, freedoms, equalities etc etc. I suppose one could step up further........ humanitarianism might reach further still.
Horrorble
Well-Known Member
I will also like to add to this that I call myself a feminist because I believe in patriarchy theory and male privilege as well as white privilege and heterosexual privilege.
Someone can be egalitarian and not believe in patriarchy theory or privilege, they can just believe "***** happens" and therefore they are not feminists.
I think that's the difference that people around here don't see. Feminist theory is not just about equal rights.
uberrobonomicon4000
Active Member
Mkay, well thanks everyone. Apparently I'm anti-feminism and a big time racist.
Learn something new everyday I guess.
A long with people having a brain that is only wired to one way of thinking.
Learn something new everyday I guess.
A long with people having a brain that is only wired to one way of thinking.
You should probably not take things so personally if you want to survive Internet debating. I learned that a long time ago.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Nope. Just strongly and irrationally attached to unsupportable ideas.
dust1n
Zindīq
Really, it all fits under post-anarchy for me. I remain staunchly against all forms of hierarchy, other than voluntary forms of authority.
Egalitarian, in the way you guys choose to use it, doesn't really mean the same thing to me. When I say I'm egalitarian, that includes economically and culturally, not just from a legal standpoint, and even find much to be interested about in luck egalitarianism. "Egalitarianism" is just as divisive as "feminism" is. Oh well, people will identify how they wish.