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If you want to be feminist and egualitarian, it sounds like you should also be a masculist
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Ladies on the forum, do you consider yourself to be a feminist?
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If you want to be feminist and egualitarian, it sounds like you should also be a masculist
Masculism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alceste
Vagabond
No, the lads are doing fine. They don't need any help. They already run the whole show.
PassionFruit53
Member
Alceste, I could not agree more with your statement. In fact so called "masculism" and "men's rights" has nothing to do with equality or human rights but tried to hide behind a good thing.
Men already had rights for hundreds of years and many places they still have more rights than women.
Horrorble
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Yes I am a feminist of the radical branch. I think the movement has largely been lead by white women and we should respect the experiences of people of colour more, which some radical feminists do not do. For example I believe in America black men earn less than white women. And in certain ways men of colour are oppressed based on their gender. I think the primary concern for women in the west is sexual politics and I don't believe in ignoring the racism and sexism which is part of how sexuality is viewed and presented in media/sex industry, just because some people get orgasms from it.
But depending upon where one lives, having more rights doesn't always mean better treatment. I nearly fled the country in the early
70s when my draft number would've been called up to go die in SE Asia to defeat the Godless Commies (who never did anything to me).
And to shine it on, I'm even more Godless than they are. So much for my superior rights, eh? Back in the day, feminists were very keen
on affirmative action to advance in gov & commerce, but it was deafening silence on equality for being drafted. There are other areas
where women fare better too, eg, privileged legal position in child custody matters. Now, lest anyone think I'm anti-feminist, I'll say that
today's feminists appear more balanced. Moreover, many of the self-identified feminists seem better described as "egalitarian".
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I see that as a symptom of a patriarchal society that places genders in clearly specified roles. Women are to be the caretakers. Men are to be the providers and defenders. Prescribed roles harm both men and women, as I don't see feminism as the antagonist by itself in the situations you described.
Just as men have had to grow up, women have had to grow up as well. I fully support equality in selective service, and if my sons are to subject themselves to military conscription, so should my daughter.
Custody hearings should be done on what is best for the child. Not on the presumption that mother = superior caretaker (which is a by-product of the patriarchal system).
I recognize inequality between the genders and fight against it. That is why I consider myself a feminist, through and through.
You & I blame the same system for those backward attitudes.
But still, feminists were not about equality for all back then...just embiggening their own lot.
Hah! You're one of those egalitarians!
It's your ilk who ban God from the classroom!
Why do you hate America?!?!
(Yeah, I stole your schtick.)
Btw, wasn't it weird that Richard Milhous Nixon, of all people, advanced some of the most radical civil rights measures, eg, ending the draft?
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Not that I disagree (I used to help stuff envelopes for the Equal Rights Amendment when I was but a lass), but as I understood it feminists were fighting a lonely battle for the most part. Every talking point presented in Second Wave Feminism were argued against by the establishment and in the private sector AND in their own families, including equal pay for equal work and reproductive rights to this day.
I'd mentioned before that women have had to grow up, but I could add to that this is how feminism has continued to evolve. I doubt suffragists would have been more concerned with equalizing military draft when they were going on hunger strikes for the right to vote.
Which is the reason why the essence of feminism, itself, is fighting inequality between the genders. We still see a marked imbalance of decision making power in government with males holding more positions. I remember when Sandra Day O'Connor as the first female Supreme Court Judge marked the beginning of the end for many establishment believers ("Feminists are trying to take over the world now and push men out!")....even though there was only one female on the court, it was evidence back then that feminists were wanting more than women deserve or are entitled to.
It was my first eye opening experience of just how deeply entrenched of a patriarchy we still operate in. One female, and we're supposed to see that as feminists "going too far."
As feminism has evolved, it has taken on more and more of the fight against inequality when it comes to queer rights and children's rights and protections. I don't think there ever has been a time when feminism has maintained a stance that it's only concern is where women benefit from its efforts.
:slap: Stop it.
Or that O'Connor was appointed during the Reagan administration?
I think it's amazing how citizens of both parties who subscribe to their particular platform believe that their own party has done the only good things for the U.S., until I remember the tribal instinct that still exists in the species.
Alceste
Vagabond
I think gender issues are relatively non-partisan, as long as you take the fundies out of the equation. You will find devoted feminists in pretty much any party, and some of the most appalling misogynistic attitudes I've come across have been from pot smoking hippies. Maggie Thatcher was one of the most influential politicians in history, and you don't Gerry much more conservative than that.
Yeah I'm a feminist, in the sense that I want equality for men and women. In most places women still have some cultural disadvantages. I think the patriarchy that has been widespread over the last several thousand years has been immensely damaging and is not ideal.
Women and men should be able to choose their own course in life without constant pressure to conform to some expected template of that culture.
I'm not a crazy man-hating radical feminist godzilla-woman, though.
I like guys, and I like the art of manliness blog. :yes:
Women and men should be able to choose their own course in life without constant pressure to conform to some expected template of that culture.
I'm not a crazy man-hating radical feminist godzilla-woman, though.
I like guys, and I like the art of manliness blog. :yes:
I find it worrying that if a woman says she's a feminist, she also has to make sure everyone knows she's not "crazy" at the same time
Stuff like that just makes me more "crazy"
Aye, it's a sad state of affairs when the first image that comes to mind of someone who stands for gender equality in politics, the market, and in the family is more likely to be considered a man-hater, ball-crusher, *****-y woman than someone who simply fights against inequality and injustice.
The Impression I have is that it's not what one stands for so much as the baggage laden label which induces an unwanted reaction.
Is it time to keep the values you have but change the name to "egalitarianist"?
Why's that?
Wait - before you answer that, what do you mean by "masculism"? That article gives two definitions. I have problems with the first one and would not want to support the second (i.e. anti-feminism).
Me Myself
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The one that asks for equality.
Feminism today also has double connotation. Maybe wiki dosnt say it, but too many peoe I ve heard saying "i dont believe in feminism nor machismo". Today there are cnnotations of feminism being women>men
Me Myself
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Because feminism not always means equality, sadly.
By dictionary, it shoulud meanthat though, but the term itself lends to problems.
If the word "feminism" has held any sort of respected status throughout much of society, I must have missed it. I have yet to run into any period of history where identifying as a feminist didn't carry with it any cultural baggage.
How often have feminists been accused of "going too far"? A cursory search through the history of feminism reveals to me that it always has been accused of such.
I still prefer the term "feminist" for my values and what I stand for because the definition itself IS egalitarian against a system that is suspicious of positions that don't kowtow to prescribed gender roles and defers decision making power to males. Until the system ceases to be inherently patriarchal, feminism remains most relevant.