Rick Perry: Creationism in the classroom now and forever

[Skwim]

"Republican candidate Rick Perry believes creationism should be taught in schools. That breaches both science and constitution

Last week, just days after announcing that he was running for president, Rick Perry was approached by a nine-year-old boy on the campaign trail in New Hampshire. As the TV cameras rolled, the child's mother could be heard, just out of shot, urging her son to ask the Republican candidate what he thought about evolution.

Smiling down at the boy like a kindly uncle, Perry, three-term serving governor of Texas, said, "It's a theory that's out there, and it's got some gaps in it." A few seconds later he rushed off, no doubt relieved that the child refused to repeat his mother's follow-up question about Perry not believing in science.

When talking to the boy in New Hampshire, Perry continued, "In Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution in our public schools – because I figure you're smart enough to figure out which one is right." (PolitiFact.com, a political fact-checking organisation, has labelled this statement as false, saying, "It's not [Texas] state law or policy to intermix instruction on creationism and evolution.")

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A three-term governor who thinks creationism should be taught in public school classrooms, and IS!! What a clueless jerk.

 

[Revoltingest]

There are many things believed by all candidates (including Obama) which are faith based & destructive.
We ought not have the impression that a single candidate should be ruled out cuz of loopy beliefs, when such is common.

 

[no-body]

Don't worry he stated his beliefs in such a weaselly way that he could back out of it and give a big wink to the religious right when he flip flops. But don't worry it's not flip flopping because he is a republican.

Minus points for the mom using her son as political fodder though.

 

[Magic Man]

"Republican candidate Rick Perry believes creationism should be taught in schools. That breaches both science and constitution

Last week, just days after announcing that he was running for president, Rick Perry was approached by a nine-year-old boy on the campaign trail in New Hampshire. As the TV cameras rolled, the child's mother could be heard, just out of shot, urging her son to ask the Republican candidate what he thought about evolution.

Smiling down at the boy like a kindly uncle, Perry, three-term serving governor of Texas, said, "It's a theory that's out there, and it's got some gaps in it." A few seconds later he rushed off, no doubt relieved that the child refused to repeat his mother's follow-up question about Perry not believing in science.

When talking to the boy in New Hampshire, Perry continued, "In Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution in our public schools – because I figure you're smart enough to figure out which one is right." (PolitiFact.com, a political fact-checking organisation, has labelled this statement as false, saying, "It's not [Texas] state law or policy to intermix instruction on creationism and evolution.")

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A three-term governor who thinks creationism should be taught in public school classrooms, and IS!! What a clueless jerk.

What I like is the "because I figure you're smart enough to figure out which one is right" part. So, he's saying one is right and one is wrong. In other words, teachers are teaching children a right idea and a wrong idea, and letting them figure it out for themselves. How about they just teach them the right idea and why it's right?

"OK, kids, some people say water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen atoms, and some people say it's the magic urine of God. I'll just let you figure out which is right."

 

[Magic Man]

There are many things believed by all candidates (including Obama) which are faith based & destructive.
We ought not have the impression that a single candidate should be ruled out cuz of loopy beliefs, when such is common.

Can you provide a comparable example from Obama?

 

[no-body]

There are many things believed by all candidates (including Obama) which are faith based & destructive.
We ought not have the impression that a single candidate should be ruled out cuz of loopy beliefs, when such is common.

I've heard you say the same thing about Palin before. Answer me this: Do you really think there is no difference between a Christian Dominionist and a politician who happens to be Christian?

 

[Father Heathen]

There are many things believed by all candidates (including Obama) which are faith based & destructive.
We ought not have the impression that a single candidate should be ruled out cuz of loopy beliefs, when such is common.

There is quite a difference between simply having loopy beliefs and using the government to promote and/or impose them. My tax money shouldn't be used to indoctrinate children with garbage. If people want to fill their own children's heads with creationist nonsense, they can take them to church.

 

[Splarnst]

He doesn't even know that creationism is not taught in Texas public schools. It hasn't been taught in any U.S. public school since 1987 when the Supreme Court struck down a Louisiana law mandating it. What an incompetent buffoon.

 

[Revoltingest]

Can you provide a comparable example from Obama?

Yes..

 

[Father Heathen]

He doesn't even know that creationism is not taught in Texas public schools. It hasn't been taught in any U.S. public school since 1987 when the Supreme Court struck down a Louisiana law mandating it. What an incompetent buffoon.

Who needs competence when you have faith in The Lord?

 

[Revoltingest]

I've heard you say the same thing about Palin before.

Libertarians & socialists each think the other is completely bonkers. But there's no need to point out the obvious.
Play nice, now....you need me here, lest this be merely an uninteresting Perry bashing with everyone just validating each others' feelings.

Answer me this: Do you really think there is no difference between a Christian Dominionist and a politician who happens to be Christian?

No.
But I believe in more comprehensive comparisons than selective mocking.
Note....I don't want to see Perry as prez either.

There is quite a difference between simply having loopy beliefs and using the government to promote and/or impose them. My tax money shouldn't be used to indoctrinate children with garbage. If people want to fill their own children's heads with creationist nonsense, they can take them to church.

I agree 100%.
But of course, other candidates believe damaging things in addition to their more benign superstitions.

 

[no-body]

No.
But I believe in more comprehensive comparisons than selective mocking.
Note....I don't want to see Perry as prez either.

So you really think a politician that believes there is an invisible man in the sky is the same as a politician that thinks the invisible man in the sky is telling them to subvert the Government to Christianity and actively consults religious figures to make their decisions for them? Sorry but I can't quite agree with you there.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you really think a politician that believes there is an invisible man in the sky is the same as a politician that thinks the invisible man in the sky is telling them to subvert the Government to Christianity and actively consults religious figures to make their decisions for them? Sorry but I can't quite agree with you there.

Naw, yer misrepresenting what I said. I don't say that any tenet is the same as any other tenet, nor that anyone is the
same as anyone else. But one ought not look at a candidate's intellectual failings without comparison to others' failings.

 

[Storm]

There are many things believed by all candidates (including Obama) which are faith based & destructive.
We ought not have the impression that a single candidate should be ruled out cuz of loopy beliefs, when such is common.

Can you provide a comparable example from Obama?

Yes..

Um... we're waiting.

 

[Riverwolf]

No.
I agree 100%.

Wait a minute! You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You answer "no" to the question of whether you see a difference between a politician who wishes to impose Christianity on the country and a politician who happens to be Christian, but then you agree 100% to the difference between having loopy beliefs and using the government to impose them?

 

[Revoltingest]

Um... we're waiting.

I answered his question.
I choose not to put much optional effort in to conversing with Mball.
It seldom leads anywhere productive.

Wait a minute! You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You answer "no" to the question of whether you see a difference between a politician who wishes to impose Christianity on the country and a politician who happens to be Christian, but then you agree 100% to the difference between having loopy beliefs and using the government to impose them?

I answered "No" to a different question. Your rephrasing was the opposite of the original...an innocent mistake, I'm sure.
To reiterate....No, I won't agree that I see no difference between....etc, etc. This is because I do see differences.
Instead of quibbling about language, let's address my point that Perry isn't alone in believing things which would be destructive (in our opinions) were they to become public policy.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

This is a good example of why I don't vote Republican, now or ever.

 

[Splarnst]

I answered his question.
I choose not to put much optional effort in to conversing with Mball.
It seldom leads anywhere productive.

Then why even answer the question at all?

 

[Revoltingest]

Then why even answer the question at all?

He asked.

You might also find that sometimes it's best to limit one's interactions with some posters.
He's not a bad guy or anything...tis just that we seem to seldom connect .

 

[Storm]

Why so evasive?