Right to Work States

[Warren Clark]

Okay....
On the one hand we are in a country of personal freedom....
which is disappearing day by day.

And pink hair is an issue?

Maybe in China?

Lol... there are a lot of things America has yet to progress to. Including the obvious fudged up economy.

It's an issue for Wallmart....& they are the employer who would hire this guy to work on their behalf. If he doesn't like their terms, then he can work elsewhere or
start his own business. Freedom also means not forcing people to tolerate any & every behavior/dress/tattoo/piercing/language that some worker might sport.


Were I you, I'd take a look at where freedom is most in danger. You'll find that government (especially the socialist ones) is a pretty bad actor...far worse than
us capitalist running dogs. You've never been subject to the military draft during wartime. You get no choice about that line of work, & you don't get to flaunt
pink hair, dress as you please, refuse to kill people, keep your own hours, etc. etc. You young whippersnappers think you have it so rough...there have been
far worse abridgements of liberty which we've finally jettisoned. But government is always tempted to bring them back. (Only recently, some Dems were
proposing bringing back the draft.....in the name of fairness of all things.)

Don't hold yer breath.

You have explained communism not socialism. I know the two are kind of similar.

"Right to Work" state means that your employer can fire and hire you for any given reason. If my boss doesn't like a woman with small boobs he can fire that woman and get away with it.
In capitalism, we have a monopolistic company that comes into small towns, lowering property value, shutting down small businesses that can't compete.
My walmart is too cheap to hire more cashiers so we have 6 lanes open half the time with 10 people in line, many of which go through the express line with more than 20 items.
Yet if a worker has a complaint nothing happens.
Sure they have the open door policy but who do you think will really listen to you? The man with your paycheck?
I have plenty of college education, funny thing is there are no jobs but walmart hiring. And trust me I am still looking.

I dyed my hair and cut it in compliance to the policy because "yes big brother I would love my pay check".

Don't talk about socialism until you understand the difference between communism and socialism.
Socialism under democratic ruling could actually help the families struggling to get by.
If you have ever used any government grants be it for school or food stamps, then you have taken part in Socialism.

I am just saying that pink hair should be somewhat "conservative" by now. Its already 2011... so idk, im looking forward to a new future. I guess that makes me a liberal right? Since I dont want to be stuck with laws and policies from the 1800s.
What is highly ironic is that the declaration of independence, the constitution/bill of rights are all "liberal" documents.

Just saying.

(There is a woman with tattoos all up her neck and face and arms. Shes allowed to be a cashier and wear short sleeves, which used to be against company policy. I didn't think that changed. But that lady is my friend so I wont bring it up at work.)

 

[Warren Clark]

Hi Warren Clark!

I understand the principle that you're trying to defend. I think it would be great if we lived in one of those societies described by Robert Heinlein where everyone was totally free to express themselves.

I don't think the issues that you mentioned are the ones that we (or you) should be concentrating on right now. The fact that you are working at a company with a long history of low wages, poor benefits, a slew of worker's rights lawsuits and an extremely antagonistic stance to collective bargaining should be of much more concern to you.

Also, considering the current economic conditions, I would be happy that I found a job (even at Wal-Mart). Then I would un-pink my hair and work on a strategy for finding some type of employment with a future. Once everyone has a liveable wage and access to health care, we can worry about the right to have pink hair. Sorry if this sounds a little harsh.:flower: I am as liberal as they come, but this is exactly the kind of (dare I say it?) nonsense that people like Reverend Rick and Kathryn love to bash progressives with. And they would be right to.:yes:

Peace and blessings,
Yeshe
:flower2:

I agree with almost everything.
I even stated some of the same in a reply to revolt.
Although I would never say that Reverend Rick or Kathryn would be "right" to do anything. (they have the right to under freedom of speech and all, but I would never say they would be right doing it)
Because we all know people with pink and green hair will be the downfall of our country.

I liked your response. It wasn't harsh. It was kind. and liberal lol

I did die my hair by the way. It now has an edge with a conservative darkness to it... my hair dresser is fantastic. lol.

 

[Warren Clark]

Thanks....I think. With "enemies" like you, who needs friends?

I don't love to bash anyone. I just calls it like I sees it.'

Some days I wish I could wear shorts and my favorite T shirt advertising Coon *** Beer to work - especially on Fridays. My meanie bosses would make me go home and change - they would probably even write me up for it!

right boo hoo...

i cant wear a shirt that makes a blatant statement of who i represent. and if it doesnt advertise walmart i cant wear it. but i can wear a plain shirt. because it doesnt represent anyone in particular.

so if i wear pink hair... that makes walmart look bad? am i advertising something destructive to the company?

OH YEAH!!!! Pink hair stands for ANARCHY. Thats why its a problem!

Sheesh. Small minded people. Why cant someone have pink hair if it doesnt harm anything? What is pink hair going to do? seriously?

 

[Warren Clark]

I'm sorry but all companies have certain dress codes and images they want their staff to follow. If the employee isn't willing to do this then they can leave.

Yep just as walmart should leave for destroying America. :X

 

[Warren Clark]

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Start your own business or become self employed and you can wear your hair anyway you want to. Now THAT'S freedom.

HAHAHAHA! Good luck! <3 Not when capitalism doesn't support most small businesses anymore. All businesses were once small. Now some of those small businesses became super-dooper big businesses that own everything own everything.

 

[Kathryn]

Yep just as walmart should leave for destroying America. :X

I think you're a hypocrite. If you despise WalMart so much, you should practice your beliefs rather than just giving them lipservice, and quit working there.

I don't shop there because I don't think WalMart is the sort of company I want to support - and I wouldn't work there either.

 

[Panda]

Yep just as walmart should leave for destroying America. :X

So why do you work there?

 

[Warren Clark]

I think you're a hypocrite. If you despise WalMart so much, you should practice your beliefs rather than just giving them lipservice, and quit working there.

I don't shop there because I don't think WalMart is the sort of company I want to support - and I wouldn't work there either.

Like I said before.
I am still looking for another job. I haven't stopped since i was first looking and walmart was the first one to hire me. So I am temporarily keeping the job until someone else calls.

And for the note. This wouldn't make me a hypocrite, instead only a person with reason and experience.

I would be a hypocrite if I were a manager or held a higher position in Walmart to tell people, "hey you have to go home for having black hair".
Trust me I am taking the next job I get I dont care if it pays lower or gives less hours.
I just need some type of income in the mean time to keep my head above water.

Again. My personal experience in a troubled economy. I am sure you have a few heartfelt emotional stories about the economy yourself.

Unless of course you are one of the dumb --- politicians with their jets because they dont want to contribute to our country and experience their own laws in motion and use commercial airlines.

Just saying their is your version of a hypocrite and a person that really is a hypocrite.
You never really know what you are talking about it until you experience it first hand.

 

[Warren Clark]

So why do you work there?

to hold me over till my next job.
answered the same question in reply to Kat...

 

[Panda]

Like I said before.
I am still looking for another job. I haven't stopped since i was first looking and walmart was the first one to hire me. So I am temporarily keeping the job until someone else calls.

And for the note. This wouldn't make me a hypocrite, instead only a person with reason and experience.

Perhaps not but it does show you are not really that into your principals. If you really truly did think walmart was that bad you wouldn't even apply there.

 

[Thief]

Perhaps not but it does show you are not really that into your principals. If you really truly did think walmart was that bad you wouldn't even apply there.

The unemployed don't really have choices.

Personal appearence is one of the last freedoms we have.
Soon to be gone....killed by the god of conformity and the quest of the holy paycheck.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Exactly.

I worked for one HVAC service company here that demanded military-acceptable hair cuts, clean shaven employees, and clean uniforms with the shirt tails tucked in. Failure to follow those rules were grounds for termination.

I absolutely hated it (I'm a big fan of facial hair and keep a full beard), but they gave me an employee handbook which listed all of the rules and I accepted the job. And that means I agreed to follow all their rules, even if I disagreed with them.

It was my choice. I could have always said "no thanks" and walked out the door.

I used my time there to learn my trade and then went to work for a company that is much more responsive to their employees and uses discretion in those types of decisions.

Hmm. I think things like that probably go too far.

I do agree that companies should be able to make certain requirements of their employees' appearance while they're at work, but I think that they have a responsibility (moral, if not legal) to ensure that the limitations they put on their employees are justified by legitimate business reasons. Pink hair at Wal-mart, sure - I see why they'd want to ban that. Short-and-neat-but-not-quite-military-length hair for an HVAC mechanic? I think that goes over the line.

I don't think that employing someone should give a person the right to control his life. Yes, you're hiring him or her to do a job, but there's a line between giving an employee job-related requirements and controlling an employee to suit your personal preferences just because you happen to be in a position of power over them.

 

[Warren Clark]

Perhaps not but it does show you are not really that into your principals. If you really truly did think walmart was that bad you wouldn't even apply there.

because living in a box with my dog is a reasonable decision? 0.o

So whats something you are against?
Would you go homeless to fight it?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

While I'm thinking about this issue, a particular aspect of Canadian law comes to mind that I don't think is really in place in the US: up here, while a person might not have a right to any particular job, there is - in most cases - a legal right to gainful employment that gets reflected in the rules about how an employer can and can't treat their employees.

What does everyone think of this approach?

 

[Warren Clark]

It's an issue for Wallmart....& they are the employer who would hire this guy to work on their behalf. If he doesn't like their terms, then he can work elsewhere or
start his own business. Freedom also means not forcing people to tolerate any & every behavior/dress/tattoo/piercing/language that some worker might sport.


Were I you, I'd take a look at where freedom is most in danger. You'll find that government (especially the socialist ones) is a pretty bad actor...far worse than
us capitalist running dogs. You've never been subject to the military draft during wartime. You get no choice about that line of work, & you don't get to flaunt
pink hair, dress as you please, refuse to kill people, keep your own hours, etc. etc. You young whippersnappers think you have it so rough...there have been
far worse abridgements of liberty which we've finally jettisoned. But government is always tempted to bring them back. (Only recently, some Dems were
proposing bringing back the draft.....in the name of fairness of all things.)

Don't hold yer breath.

For being the revoltingest you dont really revolt much.
you seem pretty conservative. and i dont mean you like to conserve things.
you like to be stuck in a rut called capitalism that has a habit of failing over and over and over.
And you keep up bringing up communism and calling it socialism.
There is such a thing as democratic socialism.

Its government run by the people for the people. (NOT FOR BUSINESSES)

 

[Warren Clark]

Hmm. I think things like that probably go too far.

I do agree that companies should be able to make certain requirements of their employees' appearance while they're at work, but I think that they have a responsibility (moral, if not legal) to ensure that the limitations they put on their employees are justified by legitimate business reasons. Pink hair at Wal-mart, sure - I see why they'd want to ban that. Short-and-neat-but-not-quite-military-length hair for an HVAC mechanic? I think that goes over the line.

I don't think that employing someone should give a person the right to control his life. Yes, you're hiring him or her to do a job, but there's a line between giving an employee job-related requirements and controlling an employee to suit your personal preferences just because you happen to be in a position of power over them.

Well I fail to see why pink hair is such a problem...
People just need to get over it.

Anybody controlling anybody is a violation of liberty and freedom.
(unless its to stop unjust and harmful acts)
Thanks for violating me big brother.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

because living in a box with my dog is a reasonable decision? 0.o

So whats something you are against?
Would you go homeless to fight it?

Is working at Wal-Mart really your only option?

I've left one job over a matter of conscience before: a company I worked for got bought by a larger firm that had other divisions I objected to. I didn't want to work for a company who would engage in that sort of business, so I left.

Of course, in my case, I was able to find another job fairly easily. If I thought it would mean losing my house and being kicked out on the street, I might not have quit outright, but I would've definitely started sending out resumes to find somewhere else to work.

Warren: even if you can't leave right now, have you been putting in an effort to make it happen? Have you been applying to other jobs?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well I fail to see why pink hair is such a problem...
People just need to get over it.

But people haven't gotten over it, including customers. You having pink hair could have a real (small, but real) effect on your store's revenue. It's a legitimate business concern.

Anybody controlling anybody is a violation of liberty and freedom.
(unless its to stop unjust and harmful acts)
Thanks for violating me big brother.

Every company has procedures. I once worked for a place where I had to do my timesheet every day (instead of every week like at other firms I'd worked for). I found it an annoyance and would've preferred not to do it. There's nothing unjust or harmful about weekly timesheets; was my "liberty" violated?

 

[Warren Clark]

Is working at Wal-Mart really your only option?

I've left one job over a matter of conscience before: a company I worked for got bought by a larger firm that had other divisions I objected to. I didn't want to work for a company who would engage in that sort of business, so I left.

Of course, in my case, I was able to find another job fairly easily. If I thought it would mean losing my house and being kicked out on the street, I might not have quit outright, but I would've definitely started sending out resumes to find somewhere else to work.

Warren: even if you can't leave right now, have you been putting in an effort to make it happen? Have you been applying to other jobs?

You have probably worked in a line of business that is reputable and gets you somewhere.
Working at a cafe and a retail store doesn't really do much for you in this economy when you are just barely hitting the middle class line.

I mean I have had an interview at Target but they didn't call me back and when I called them they said I just didn't qualify. Oddly.
I'm still applying elsewhere and keeping my chin up.

 

[Songbird]

Mr. Clark,

In the future, what about thinking of a creative way to ask for an exception? Company policies are company policies, but they're enforced by we fallible and prone-to-appeal humans. I like the scent of a challenge and enjoy hustling to get what I want, so I might pave the way of my request by being interested in who my manager is, then countering the directive with a polite, lighthearted, and confident list of reasons pink hair attracts more customers and is indeed good company policy. You could go so far as to write it out, highlighting your performance on the job. If your manager declines the reasons, graciously accepting no for an answer will probably at least put you in a favorable light if other issues come up.

But it is Walmart.