I am Israel

[Mr Spinkles]

Actually, the blood lust isn't one-sided. Have you truly watched what is coming out of the PA recently? Second, where do you think it came from? This conflict, and the PA's desire to kill unarmed people.

Let's at least get our facts straight. According to news reports, the PA policemen fired when three cars of the Isreali worshipers tried to break through a police checkpoint. They killed one Isreali. The worshipers did not have authorization from either government to visit that area. And the PA was embarrassed by the incident. In response, Israeli troops entered PA territory during the night, and shot three unarmed men believed to have been the PA policemen involved in the incident, killing them all. They shot without warning, according to witnesses.

It's worth considering what your response would be, if Israeli soldiers shot a Palestinian trying to run through a checkpoint with his car. Would that be "bloodlust" or a tragic mistake? Then imagine that in response, PA troops entered Isreali territory and killed the Isreali soldiers while they were sleeping in their homes. How would you describe such actions? Justice? "Bloodlust"?

 

[Witch9]

Think of it this way: if the Creoles of Louisiana rose up in arms against the United States, and demanded, as the rightful descendants of the French and Spanish who were here before Louisiana was American, that America return the Louisiana Purchase to them, there might be some historical justification for it (despite the fact that they themselves were not the original inhabitants of the land).

Reminds me of the October Crisis, even though the historical differences of scale might make the comparison seem ludicrous to some. After all, 1837 or the Plains of Abraham were just burps in history compared to the seemingly endless tribal warfare that has wracked the Middle East for millennia. I cannot help but think of such hateful disputes as anything different than the Hatfield and the McCoys, just another blood feud with a different label.

Reminds me too of the old line about "better dead than red", and makes me wonder why humans are so driven by xenophobia, fueled by fear, grudges and an obsession with vengeance. And of Campbell's comments about how sad it is that so many people are committed to perpetual warfare because they have different names for "God".

Long ago there was a not uncommon line: "Nuke 'em all and let God decide." Not politically correct, perhaps, but possibly also the only ultimate solution. :sad::banghead3

 

[kai]

Let's at least get our facts straight. According to news reports, the PA policemen fired when three cars of the Isreali worshipers tried to break through a police checkpoint. They killed one Isreali. The worshipers did not have authorization from either government to visit that area. And the PA was embarrassed by the incident. In response, Israeli troops entered PA territory during the night, and shot three unarmed men believed to have been the PA policemen involved in the incident, killing them all. They shot without warning, according to witnesses.

It's worth considering what your response would be, if Israeli soldiers shot a Palestinian trying to run through a checkpoint with his car. Would that be "bloodlust" or a tragic mistake? Then imagine that in response, PA troops entered Isreali territory and killed the Isreali soldiers while they were sleeping in their homes. How would you describe such actions? Justice? "Bloodlust"?

Yes it seems the actions of the Hasidim involved was reckless to say the least , I am interested in confirmation of this "response" where the Israelis killed the unarmed men in their beds. But i dont think i will because the article you posted Spinks is dated Sunday, December 27th 2009, 4:00 AM Lol



The IDF refused to describe the incident as an attack. A senior officer at Central Command said that "this was a problem in communication between the two sides. The Bratslav Hasidim broke through the checkpoint and the officers fired in the air first. They didn't have to continue shooting at them, but we can't say there was a premeditated attempt to harm them."


Palestinian Authority to probe shooting death of Israeli in Nablus - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[Rakhel]

perhaps one would like to explain why the PA brigadier general Adnan Damir said, and I quote,"Jewish settlers are not noramal people and therefore there is no need to apologize for the murder of a Jew who prayed at Kever Yosef this morning." He further denied that there was even PA police involved.

Embarrassed, my ***.

PA Spokesman After Murder at Kever Yosef: Israeli Settlers Are “Not Normal People” » Matzav.com - The Online Voice of Torah Jewry

 

[Bismillah]

I see no problem with this statement "Jewish settlers are not noramal people and therefore there is no need to apologize for the murder of a Jew who prayed at Kever Yosef this morning" espicially given that Israel continues to sponsor these colonists when the PA has denounced violence and has worked for more than a decade towards a peaceful solution.

Maybe next time Israel should at least attempt to try and act like it wants a solution.

 

[kai]

I see no problem with this statement "Jewish settlers are not noramal people and therefore there is no need to apologize for the murder of a Jew who prayed at Kever Yosef this morning" espicially given that Israel continues to sponsor these colonists when the PA has denounced violence and has worked for more than a decade towards a peaceful solution.

Maybe next time Israel should at least attempt to try and act like it wants a solution.

"Jewish settlers are not noramal people and therefore there is no need to apologize for the murder of a Jew who prayed at Kever Yosef this morning"

Its a very sad indictment of the way people view each other in the region.

 

[Bismillah]

I don't think colonists fit the bill to be called people.

 

[Rakhel]

You know. I tried to have a peaceful conversation about this issue. When one starts to call people sub-human, all bets are off.
The world would be up in arms if the situation was reversed. If Muslims were to be shot and killed as they entered Al-Aqsa mosque, all hell would break loose. Especially if some Israeli General were to say "Arabs aren't normal people and we see nothing to apologize for."
But because they were Jews. "Oh what the hell! They are just so many of them anyways and, you know, they're not normal people. ****. They're not even human. We did the world a favor."

So excuse me while I call bull-****.

 

[Bismillah]

Ah yes because I stated Jews are sub-par humans

Maybe the next time Muslims who stole ancestral land, forced occupants into refugee camps, and created brutal vigilante groups and then bum rushed an outpost in three cars without any government approval and were killed you might have a point.

Sadly you don't, but you rely on sensationalism and faulty reading skills.

Colonists are not human if they're in the Great Plains, S. Africa, or the West Bank and I could care less how many are killed while they carry out their illegal land grabs to fulfill their covenant with God.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

I don't think colonists fit the bill to be called people.

Ok, here goes:
Bismillah, the only people I've seen you call "colonist" is someone of Jewish descent.

What you're really saying: "I don't think Jews fit the bill to be called people.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. I'll respond with, "Muslims don't fit the bill to be called people. They are a nuisance species that must be eradicated"

If that sounded like Hitler, it should. That's exactly what he said of Jews. If you think I just called you a racist...If the shoe fits...

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Maybe the next time Muslims who stole ancestral land, forced occupants into refugee camps, and created brutal vigilante groups and then bum rushed an outpost in three cars without any government approval and were killed you might have a point.

Ever heard of the Ottoman Conquest of the Byzantine Empire? You think that was a peaceful transition that left natives in their homes? Are you that ******* blind? How about Muslim Pakis who rape Hindu children in Kashmir? How about the Turks who maim, rape, and murder Kurds? Each of those times, it is Muslims stealing ancestral land(sometimes from other Muslims), and doing as they will to the conquered people.

Israel is a ***** cat compared to the Muslim Ummah.

 

[Bismillah]

Bismillah, the only people I've seen you call "colonist" is someone of Jewish descent.

Yeah?

"Colonists are not human if they're in the Great Plains, S. Africa, or the West Bank and I could care less how many are killed while they carry out their illegal land grabs to fulfill their covenant with God."

What you're really saying: "I don't think Jews fit the bill to be called people.

Large difference between what I am saying and what you want me to say.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. I'll respond with, "Muslims don't fit the bill to be called people. They are a nuisance species that must be eradicated"

Doesn't surprise me, the statement is only one step higher on the idiotic level than your previous assertions.

If that sounded like Hitler, it should. That's exactly what he said of Jews. If you think I just called you a racist...If the shoe fits...

No, I think you are just confused.

Ever heard of the Ottoman Conquest of the Byzantine Empire? You think that was a peaceful transition that left natives in their homes?

I know that the transition was more peaceful than those conducted by Crusaders, or Conquistadors, or the Inquisition, or even the Jewish policy of an eye for an eye. And I know that it is hardly relevant.

How about Muslim Pakis who rape Hindu children in Kashmir?

How about Indian troops that kill teenage Kashmiris and deny people the right of determination. Of course I understand that the right to land is not something important to you.

How about the Turks who maim, rape, and murder Kurds?

I wonder why Israel refuses to call it a genocide, pretty despicable huh to deny genocide?

it is Muslims stealing ancestral land(sometimes from other Muslims), and doing as they will to the conquered people.

And you are implying that I am supportive of these people?

Israel is a ***** cat compared to the Muslim Ummah.

Haha

 

[HiddenDjinn]

And you are implying that I am supportive of these people?

Your silence on all issues other than Israeli presence on the Arab Peninsula speaks volumes.. Your absolute blindness to the fact that you seem to only care about Muslim suffering is when it at the hands of those other than Muslims speaks more. What's worse about this, you're talking out of your ***, you've never lived in the Middle East, and you get all your info from Arab propoganda sites and Wikipedia(Neither are accurate sources). You are intellectually worthless and a supreme waste of American resources. Go play with a train.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

Bismillah, you are a fine piece of work pal.

A real tribute to your religion. Fortunately, not all Muslims think like you. Real fortunate.

 

[kai]

I don't think colonists fit the bill to be called people.

Wow thats very sad. Arabs were colonists once there too you know, dehumanizing ? us and them? they are less than human? sounds all too familiar.

 

[Bismillah]

I'm sorry you can't play the Hitler card and I'm sorry your temper tantrum isn't working...but colonists aren't humans and history agrees with me. It's fun when someone who is supposed to be the age of an adult results to name calling and arguments to show their mental development and inner workings.

Like I said, I'm not surprised given the level of stupidity your previous statements have shown.

Bismillah, you are a fine piece of work pal.

Thanks bud, better than being some blind eyed military loyalist idiot right?

Wow thats very sad. Arabs were colonists once there too you know, dehumanizing ? us and them? they are less than human? sounds all too familiar.

Do you cry for General Custer? Arabs were once colonists too? Does that make it ok? Does that mean if it was Arab that I would have to support their actions.

I think you are conveniently missing this line

"Colonists are not human if they're in the Great Plains, S. Africa, or the West Bank and I could care less how many are killed while they carry out their illegal land grabs to fulfill their covenant with God."

It's not an us-vs them at all, its a realization that every person is entitled to a right to their land and those who deny that right and kill those people are less than human.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

It's not an us-vs them at all, its a realization that every person is entitled to a right to their land and those who deny that right and kill those people are less than human.

In that case, evacuate the Arabs from every square inch between the Suez Canal and the Saudi border, including Golan. That is, in ancient terms, Jewish land.

 

[Bismillah]

That is, in ancient terms, Jewish land.

2000 years ago. So sorry, but they were not living there in the modern era, like I said everyone is entitled to their land. Israelis have Israel and colonists want the W.B. as well.

 

[7he4uthor]

israel is a trinity of 3 gods

is = isis
ra = osirus
el = horus

Isis-Ra-El

Israel

the whole story is code
the 12/13 code

zodiacal
lunar
solar

jacob outsmarting the angel of god
esau
mannessah
messiah

the whole thing is code
let hymn with wisdom know the secret

the book was written in a dialect that none could understand but those who were meant to read it.

2012 Forum • Help naME the thread i.e. The 11:11 Solution hatched on 4:20

so messiah/mannesah spoke in code saying he did so to prevent uninitiated from understanding

so from messiahs own mouth he tells that secrets are held by angels who
will never allow ordinary men to know the keys to empowerment

the secrets are about black magic
a gift from god

 

[HiddenDjinn]

2000 years ago. So sorry, but they were not living there in the modern era, like I said everyone is entitled to their land. Israelis have Israel and colonists want the W.B. as well.

Oh, you want to speak of the modern era. Israel took Yesha and Gaza in 1967. Those areas were signed off by the sovereign nations who previously controlled them. They are Israeli territory. GTFO.