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Creationist Challenge - Build the Ark

Baydwin

Well-Known Member
I'd like to issue a challenge to all Creationists. If you can build an ark to the specifications in the Bible and fill it with two of every "kind" of animal by your own hands (remember Noah had no one to help him), set it afloat with you and your family on board and keep all the animals alive for 40 days, I will convert to Creationism.

If there are other evolution accepting people willing to pledge their conversion to Creationism on completion of this challenge, please post below.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I'd like to issue a challenge to all Creationists. If you can build an ark to the specifications in the Bible and fill it with two of every "kind" of animal by your own hands (remember Noah had no one to help him), set it afloat with you and your family on board and keep all the animals alive for 40 days, I will convert to Creationism.
Since one of the specifications of the Ark is that it be made out of the otherwise-unknown "gopher wood", I'm not sure if it would even be possible to do this.
 

Baydwin

Well-Known Member
Since one of the specifications of the Ark is that it be made out of the otherwise-unknown "gopher wood", I'm not sure if it would even be possible to do this.
Shouldn't be a problem for a Creationist. If it's in the Bible it's the word of God, and if it's the word of God it's not impossible. Sorted.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Shouldn't be a problem for a Creationist. If it's in the Bible it's the word of God, and if it's the word of God it's not impossible. Sorted.
I think it still gives the Creationist an "out":

"I'd like to build you an Ark, but shucks, there's no gopher wood around any more* and modern wood isn't strong/buoyant/snazzy/____ enough to do it."


*presumably, because it was wiped out in the flood
 

Baydwin

Well-Known Member
I think it still gives the Creationist an "out":

"I'd like to build you an Ark, but shucks, there's no gopher wood around any more* and modern wood isn't strong/buoyant/snazzy/____ enough to do it."


*presumably, because it was wiped out in the flood
Well, in that case I'm sure we could allow them to use a modern synthetic substitute that would do the job just as well. Aluminium, fibreglass, whatever would work best. I'm more concerned with them collecting the animals and living on it for 40 days than I am about being picky regarding materials.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Since one of the specifications of the Ark is that it be made out of the otherwise-unknown "gopher wood", I'm not sure if it would even be possible to do this.

Tell them to use cypress then. Most modern translations replace 'gopher' with 'cypress' anyway.

I'll add my name to the list of willing converts. If a creationist can do everything that Baydwin laid out in her challenge, I'll convert to creationism.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
BTW - they were in the Ark more than 40 days. 40 days was just how long the rains fell, but the flood continued much longer than that. The story describes the length of time in the ark in two ways:

First, it specifies that the rains fell for 40 days, and then there was a 150-day period during which the waters receded (Gen 8:3), an unspecified period in which they continued to recede (Gen 8:5) and then a 47-day period until Noah found signs of land again (Gen 8:6-11), another week (Gen 8:12) and then another unspecified period of time until they came out of the Ark. This adds up to at least 237 days, not counting the time periods where no specific length is given.

Second, it says that they boarded the Ark "in the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month" (Gen 7:11) and then didn't come out again until the twenty-seventh day of the second month of Noah's six hundred and first year (Gen 8:13-17).

In the Hebrew calendar, months are either 29 or 30 days and there are twelve months in a non-leap year, so at an average of 29.5 days per month, this would make the total time something around 364 days: one lunar year of 12 months (354 days) plus a 10 day remainder (from the 17th to the 27th of the month).

Either way, you'd be looking at spending a year or slightly less on the Ark if you wanted to do things exactly Biblically.
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
I have seen this ark with my own eyes. I don't know why they would want to build it though.

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The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
BTW - they were in the Ark more than 40 days. 40 days was just how long the rains fell, but the flood continued much longer than that. The story describes the length of time in the ark in two ways:

First, it specifies that the rains fell for 40 days, and then there was a 150-day period during which the waters receded (Gen 8:3), an unspecified period in which they continued to recede (Gen 8:5) and then a 47-day period until Noah found signs of land again (Gen 8:6-11), another week (Gen 8:12) and then another unspecified period of time until they came out of the Ark. This adds up to at least 237 days, not counting the time periods where no specific length is given.

Second, it says that they boarded the Ark "in the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month" (Gen 7:11) and then didn't come out again until the twenty-seventh day of the second month of Noah's six hundred and first year (Gen 8:13-17).

In the Hebrew calendar, months are either 29 or 30 days and there are twelve months in a non-leap year, so at an average of 29.5 days per month, this would make the total time something around 364 days: one lunar year of 12 months (354 days) plus a 10 day remainder (from the 17th to the 27th of the month).

Either way, you'd be looking at spending a year or slightly less on the Ark if you wanted to do things exactly Biblically.

You beat me to it. He was on the ark roughly 370 days.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Also, in order to remain biblically faithful, it would have to be seven of every 'clean' animal and two of every 'unclean' animal.

"Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate," - Genesis 7:2
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I'd like to issue a challenge to all Creationists. If you can build an ark to the specifications in the Bible and fill it with two of every "kind" of animal by your own hands (remember Noah had no one to help him), set it afloat with you and your family on board and keep all the animals alive for 40 days, I will convert to Creationism.

If there are other evolution accepting people willing to pledge their conversion to Creationism on completion of this challenge, please post below.

Hey, forget the animals. Build the boat to specs and float it and I'm on board--so to speak.
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
I must agree 100%! Give them modern tools and material to work with, heck find a modern ship of the same size or for that matter 10 times the size of the ark. But only give them a crew of 8 to take care of all the animals and only the supplies they can carry with them. Set them a float in the middle of the ocean and see what happens. See how long it would take for them to give up and to radio for help?
 

MSizer

MSizer
A little brouwn bat can eat anywhere from 4000-8000 mosquitos per night. 370 nights x 6000 (average) mosquitoes x 2 bats = 4 440 000 mosquitos to keep the bats alive (oh, plus the extra two mosquitos he'd need to have left over at the end would make 4 440 002). Man, collecting four and a half million mosquitos just to keep the bats alive must have made it damn difficult to collect the tonnes of grass needed for the grazers. Sheesh.
 
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