ShakeZula
The Master Shake
Did Ratzinger say this, or was it John Paul? I can't imagine Ratzinger, who said that condoms cause AIDS, is really so behind the science movement. :shock:
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Scientists and Clerics Agree: Keep Creationism out of Schools
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Did Ratzinger say this, or was it John Paul? I can't imagine Ratzinger, who said that condoms cause AIDS, is really so behind the science movement. :shock:
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Smoke
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Two things Paul couldn't stand: being laughed at and being bested in an argument. I don't think he ever got over being laughed out of Athens. Fortunately for his megalomania, he hit on the notion that "the wisdom of the world" was really foolishness compared his revelations.
That other people accept his assessment as true and accurate is remarkable.
Smoke
Done here.
That's true. It's also about the fundamentalist's ability to believe six impossible things before breakfast if that's what it takes to maintain an insupportable worldview.
Smoke
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Shortly after I read this comment, my husband showed me the following ad. A friend of his found it on Craig's List; the seller lives in our county.
I really equate that kind of behavior to being the same as the child who thinks his teachers are out to get him, or the teenager who, being a very poor student, thinks that having good grades and getting a college degree is only done by "know-it-alls."
"Because poor literacy is KEwL!" ^_^
(All credit, as far as I know, for this tag-line, goes to Linkara.)
sonofskeptish
It is what it is
12,500 Christian clergy, 450 Jewish rabbis, and 200 Unitarian clergy join forces to fight creationists. There statement:
"Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."
The Clergy Letter Project & Evolution Weekend 2010 « The Skeptical Teacher
"Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."
The Clergy Letter Project & Evolution Weekend 2010 « The Skeptical Teacher
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
I for one can never accept a theory as true whose premise excludes the origin of life with no scientific proof that living matter can spring from the enert. If life cannot be created by thinking individuals, the mathamatical, scientific possibilities that unaccountable life forces can spontaniously generate and then diversify given enough time seems the religion of idiots...
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Nature doesn't have a brain. Nature doesn't do anything ---- it just is. You have a brain ----- use it...
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Oh the irony.....
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Why on earth are you going on about abiogenesis in a thread about evolution? Is your problem ignorance or dishonesty?
That's not required for things to occur in nature
Trees don't have brains. That doesn't stop them from being active.
sonofskeptish
It is what it is
How about a field trip here...
Creation Museum - Creation, Evolution, Science, Dinosaurs, Family, Christian Worldview | Creation Museum
Creation Museum - Creation, Evolution, Science, Dinosaurs, Family, Christian Worldview | Creation Museum
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
How about a field trip here...
Creation Museum - Creation, Evolution, Science, Dinosaurs, Family, Christian Worldview | Creation Museum
The Creation Museum recently held a contest for children to enter. I'm not sure what the details of the contest were (possibly some kind of diorama contest or something), but I noticed on the terms and conditions that it required children to read and sign the "AiG statement of faith". Out of curiosity, I looked up this "statement of faith" and what I found was nothing short of appalling.
Warning: If you possess a rational mind or any respect whatsoever for the scientific method expect to feel insane quantities of rage upon reading.
The AiG Statement of Faith - Answers in Genesis
My personal favourite is the last one. Seriously, it almost made me vomit with anger.
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Alceste
Vagabond
lol - I can't get any more enraged by that than I do by people who believe there are fairies in the garden. They're just run-of-the-mill crazy people.
If they had any power or influence in my country I might feel differently though.
sonofskeptish
It is what it is
:sad4:ragordon168
Active Member
because they are the same thing :sarcastic well at least to creationists who seem to forget when told evolution has nothing at all to do with abiogenisis. maybe if they hadnt skipped evolution due to 'religious grounds' they would know this.
I assume he also objects to Ohm's Law being taught in schools, because it says nothing about where electrons come from.