Why don't some people like being created?

[Willamena]

I like it, the idea of my family being a special creation thousands of years ago, and being related to every other living human on the planet.

Why don't some people like this concept?

I don't like it because I'm a special creation today, not thousands of years ago.

 

[fantome profane]

I like it, the idea of my family being a special creation thousands of years ago, and being related to every other living human on the planet.

Why don't some people like this concept?

I think you make an excellent point. It is true that we all have things that we want to believe, and this want can easily skew our perception. This is why I think it is necessary to be particularly sceptical of just those ideas that appeal to you on an emotional level.

This is why I have examined and will continue to examine the anti-evolution arguments, so I can challenge my own viewpoint. So far their argument have consisted of nothing but lies, distortions and logical fallacies and have only served to strengthen my confidence in evolutionary theory.

 

[Man of Faith]

My original thread wasn't about evidence one way or the other, I noticed that some people hate the fact that they're animals and closely related to chimps and orangutans. I can't understand the mindset, to me it's like not liking having opposable thumbs, so I asked why people feel that way.

Well I noticed that you didn't ask why they don't like being apes. I'm not sure if anybody that accepts evolution doesn't like being an ape. Maybe science needs to take a different approach. On the front of the 1st grade science book, it needs to say "You are an ape", or "As an Ape, like yourself, science helps you understand the world..."

 

[Smoke]

I like it, the idea of my family being a special creation thousands of years ago, and being related to every other living human on the planet.

Why don't some people like this concept?

Because it's not true.

 

[Man of Faith]

I've never had a problem with getting atheists to admit humans are unique, but then I wasn't trying to justify YEC with it.


No, they really don't.

Well what atheists will do is say, humans are unique like all other animals are unique. They won't admit that we are special over and above how any other animals are special.

 

[Smoke]

Well I kind of like being "in charge" of all other life forms if you will.

Interesting. How long have you thought you were in charge?

 

[Forkie]

I like it, the idea of my family being a special creation thousands of years ago, and being related to every other living human on the planet.

Why don't some people like this concept?

Strictly speaking, we are all related to every other human being on the planet. I like the concept. I just don't believe we are all related through Adam and Eve who were created from dust and a spare rib.

I much prefer that we are not only related to each other, but to every other animal and plant on the planet and that my family is special because over hundreds of millions of years, every single one of the billions of ancestors involved in my creation right back to the first microbe, survived the trials of life. They all escaped predators, survived disease, wars and natural disasters to ensure that I was born. And hopefully, I will do the same to continue the chain.

I think that is a much more exciting concept.

 

[Storm]

Well what atheists will do is say, humans are unique like all other animals are unique. They won't admit that we are special over and above how any other animals are special.

They usually will if you're not trying to say we're not animals at all.

 

[Man of Faith]

No, actually, like everything you say, it's backwards. Let's think about this, shall we?

Your view: The "being" responsible for everything that exists, and whom still plays an active and supervisory role cares about everything each of us does every minute of our lives. We will be rewarded or punished after our earthly death.

The naturalist's view: All living creatures have evolved from a long lineage of previous spcies over billions of year. We're not sure how it all started, but we have a few reasonable theories that might exlpain it, and we'll probably have more evidence in the future to narrow down the plausible theories for that. The result of this process has been agency, conciousness, and in humans only so far, metacognition, allowing us to grasp concepts as time and morality. After our death, sadly for our living loved ones, we will decay and contribute our part back into the cycle of life as all previous beings have done before us. Our wonderful human experience of emotions and companionship with other humans and creatures is precious to us while we live, and is fondly remembered by those who live after us.

Care to tell me how my version counters the ToE MoF? Care to "demolish" this like you have carbon dating and the sequence of fossil depositions in the geological column?

I never said that it counters the ToE I said that it could show the ToE could be false. The ToE says a lot of things without any science to back it up, such as "allowing us to grasp concepts as time and morality". What allows us to do that in the ToE? Something scientific? Without a specific scientific phenomenon then there is nothing that allows us to understand time and morality. And that is where it differs from a special creation where the creator could have created us with that understanding.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well what atheists will do is say, humans are unique like all other animals are unique. They won't admit that we are special over and above how any other animals are special.

You're putting the cart before the horse. First, you have to define "over and above" in a way that's coherent and demonstrably valid.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I never said that it counters the ToE I said that it could show the ToE could be false. The ToE says a lot of things without any science to back it up, such as "allowing us to grasp concepts as time and morality". What allows us to do that in the ToE?

I'm wondering the same thing. You're reading things into the theory that just aren't there. Do you really think that people argue that the theory of evolution allows us to do this?

 

[Man of Faith]

Interesting. How long have you thought you were in charge?

Since I read the Bible, as a child.

 

[Man of Faith]

They usually will if you're not trying to say we're not animals at all.

That has not been my experience. Maybe they tell themselves that in their atheits meetings? I'm not sure.

 

[Storm]

That has not been my experience.

Well, it has been mine. The only difference I can see is that I'm not pushing the YEC agenda.

Maybe they tell themselves that in their atheits meetings? I'm not sure.

I'm sorry, are you under the impression I'm an atheist? :biglaugh:

 

[Man of Faith]

You're putting the cart before the horse. First, you have to define "over and above" in a way that's coherent and demonstrably valid.

LOL

Well I don't have to play word games, you have pratically admitted that humans are special in one of your first posts. I will call that a success because that is as far as I believe I will get on this subject.

 

[Man of Faith]

Well, it has been mine. The only difference I can see is that I'm not pushing the YEC agenda.


I'm sorry, are you under the impression I'm an atheist? :biglaugh:

No, I was just asking a question. Are you saying that athiests cannot be honest to a YEC because they don't like the YEC agenda? Interesting.

 

[Storm]

LOL

Well I don't have to play word games, you have pratically admitted that humans are special in one of your first posts.

Then why are you denying it?

I will call that a success because that is as far as I believe I will get on this subject.

Success in what endeavor?

 

[Man of Faith]

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I'm wondering the same thing. You're reading things into the theory that just aren't there. Do you really think that people argue that the theory of evolution allows us to do this?

I was just responding to an atheists who wrote that. That was his definition of the ToE.

 

[Storm]

No, I was just asking a question. Are you saying that athiests cannot be honest to a YEC because they don't like the YEC agenda? Interesting.

Not at all. I'm saying that the YEC agenda includes the stance that humans are somehow not animals at all, which atheists absolutely reject. Also, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Magic Man]

I like it, the idea of my family being a special creation thousands of years ago, and being related to every other living human on the planet.

Why don't some people like this concept?

Yes, most people who believe in being created by God like the idea. That's part of why you believe it.

It's not that others don't like the idea of being special or created; it's that there's no reason to believe we were created by a god.