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Why do we know so little about Jesus?

Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Zadok said:
It would appear that for much of history following Jesus that his teachings were discarded and abused. I would submit that so little is known of Jesus because so little of what he taught was actually practiced and applied following the death of his Apostles. Even today many “Christians” are more interested in their individual salvation than they are about being loyal to keeping Jesus’ commandments of love (including loving one’s enemies). To my dismay I have discussed this concept with many “Christians” that claim that following and living Jesus’ commandments is not really necessary for their salvation.
Zadok
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It is interesting, and it is very apparent that LDS Christians, seem to place a greater importance on Following the teachings of Jesus, and living the Life of Jesus, than many other Christian Groups.
I am personally not convinced that we should even concern ourselves with the prospect of Salvation. It is a distant goal perhaps... and one in which we may have an interest... though we have no say in the matter.

However, it is very Clear that we are Instructed to live as Jesus taught us.
 
Zadok

Zadok

Zadok
lockyfan said:
Jesus didnt choose his disciples, they chose to be his disciples. he chose the Apostles who were disciples first.

Jesus message is lsot only to those who listen to christendom and the churches. Read the bible his message is still there its just not changed to anyone persons ideas
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The problem with the scriptures is that people like to add their own concepts and ideas to the scripture to override the concepts in scriputre. Take for example your statement "Jesus didnt choose his disciples" and contrast that with John 15:16.

Zadok
 
Zadok

Zadok

Zadok
Terrywoodenpic said:
It is interesting, and it is very apparent that LDS Christians, seem to place a greater importance on Following the teachings of Jesus, and living the Life of Jesus, than many other Christian Groups.
I am personally not convinced that we should even concern ourselves with the prospect of Salvation. It is a distant goal perhaps... and one in which we may have an interest... though we have no say in the matter.

However, it is very Clear that we are Instructed to live as Jesus taught us.
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Thank you - I agree with you.

Zadok
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
"Why do we know so little about Jesus?"

Because there is essentially no historical evidence whatsoever that such a man existed.
 
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lockyfan

Active Member
the bible tells you all you need to know about who he was and what he did for the earth.

In the new system when Jehovah and Jesus have ended this way of life (satans system) and brought in the new system we will be able to find out more, because there i so much we can learn when we live forever.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
xkatz said:
Even though I am not Christian, I will say this:

Jesus lived over 2000 years ago and no one will ever be 100% who Jesus was and/or what he did and/or what he looked like.
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Are we ever sure who "any one" is 100%.
Do we even know much about our close friends.
In 2000 years most evidence about any one has vanished into obscurity.

It take either a dynastic connection or amazing achievements to be remembered at all.

My point in the OP, is that which we know, is what we were meant to know. It is sufficient.
 
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lockyfan

Active Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
In 2000 years most evidence about any one has vanished into obscurity.

It take either a dynastic connection or amazing achievements to be remembered at all.
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Yet what Jesus did and said has affect the lives of people for 2000 years ofter his death and resurrection.
 
arimoff

arimoff

Active Member
Yet what Jesus did and said has affect the lives of people for 2000 years ofter his death and resurrection.


you are 100% correct but rather if you think how many lives have been cut short in his name, you would better have him not exist.
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
Are we ever sure who "any one" is 100%.
Do we even know much about our close friends.
In 2000 years most evidence about any one has vanished into obscurity.

It take either a dynastic connection or amazing achievements to be remembered at all.

My point in the OP, is that which we know, is what we were meant to know. It is sufficient.
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It certainly is NOT sufficient from a historical basis.
 
dogsgod

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
Oberon said:
And what he said and did affected the bible.
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A baseless assumption; built on quicksand. You have better luck preaching to your choir since there is no shortage of those that want to believe. Why, I don't know.
 
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Oberon

Well-Known Member
dogsgod said:
A baseless assumption; built on quicksand. You have better luck preaching to your choir since there is no shortage of those that want to believe. Why, I don't know.
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And no shortage of non-christian scholars who know your position is bogus.

I recently purchased the book The Historical Jesus: Five Views including RM Price's view. It was amusing to see everyone from Crossan to Dunn completely demolish his "theory." It was also amusing to see his "theory" on why Paul refers to James as the brother of the lord: when the evidence is stacked against you, ignore it or come up with an unsupportable theory. I know you like online sources, so lets look at the most popular:

The Christ-Myth theory is essentially without supporters in modern academic circles, biblical scholars and classical historians being highly dismissive of it,[47] viewing it as pseudo-scholarship,[39] and some comparing the theory's methodological basis with that of flat-earthism, Holocaust denial and moon landing skepticism.[50]
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Christ myth theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can't read greek. You can't read hebrew. You aren't a historian, nor have you studied mediterranean history, jewish history, or even roman history. You rarely cite any works even written by a academics. I don't believe you have ever cited a peer-reviewed journal. You troll the web looking for any support for your ridiculous theories rather than examining the 200+ centuries of scholarship, even those works by non-christians. Most of those authors you quote aren't experts in relevant fields, and you have failed to interact with any research scholarship. You aren't even familiar enough with the types of genres of the ancient world or the type of historical evidence to even pass judgment on the historicity of Jesus. All you possess is a blind devotion to the mythic jesus hypothesis.
 
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Oberon

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dogsgod said:
There's stacks of evidence for an historical Jesus, in your dreams.
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Again, you have no expertise whatsoever in critical examination of ancient historical sources. You have yet to quote peer-reviewed journals, or works published by academic presses. You rely on a handful of supporters, and so far only one of them is even an NT scholar. I can cite journals, monographs, academic publications, etc, from a wide variety of sources and people (including agnostics, jews, etc). You rely on whatever you dig up from the web.

I had to laugh at price's arguments concerning Paul's letters and how they speak of a "non-earthly" Jesus. So did everyone else, even Crossan. You have lambasted me for relying on scholarly sources and critiquing those who troll the web, yet even wikipedia compares the "mythic Jesus theory" with holocaust deniers.

You have no historical expertise.
You haven't studied the sociology of religious movements
You can't read greek or hebrew
You have no expertise in 1st century palestine
You have no expertise in the Judaism of Jesus' day.
You rely on a small handful of supporters, and only one has relevant degrees.
You have yet to interact with the MASSIVE amounts of scholarship in this area, restricting yourself you the precious few whose claims you like.

What on earth makes you opinion concerning Jesus' historicity anything more than bias?
 
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