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So you don't believe Satan is evil then?
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So you don't believe Satan is evil then?
So you don't believe Satan is evil then?
Why would he kill something/someone who is in his service.
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Satan/devil/Lucifer is just like any other angel. He works for God, and perform what God allow him to do.
I have to agree. Ha Satan is an angel, as I have explained in many other such threads. He has the thankless job of tempting us, as can be seen in Job. This task is given to him by G-d, and it's not to cause us to sin as many think, but to help us have free will. To exercise free will, there must be choices. Obedience without such choices is a moot point. The angels do not have free will, only we do, in part because of the balance that the choices that Satan provides. Without him, we would not be the humans we are.
In regards to the part I underlined, where exactly does it say anywhere in your scriptures that angels have no freewill? In fact, I would think since 1/3 rebelled against God, siding with Satan, that indicates angels do in fact have free will.
I'd say it's more a part of the Jewish Oral tradition then anything written down. The 1/3 of Angels rebelling against God is a Christian thing in there Scripture. It has nothing to do with Judaism and is just another thing early Christians did to twist Jewish Scripture to fit there Propaganda.In regards to the part I underlined, where exactly does it say anywhere in your scriptures that angels have no freewill? In fact, I would think since 1/3 rebelled against God, siding with Satan, that indicates angels do in fact have free will.
Why did God kill/order the killings of people who have done wrong to Him (Canaanites, Egyptians, Sodom and Gomorrah, pre flood civilizations, etc) and not kill the source of the evil, thus preventing the wrongdoers from doing those things that were bad?
In other words, instead of killing humans that were deceived by Satan, why didn't God just kill Satan?
Is God protecting Satan? If so, why?
Is God using Satan as a pawn in His elaborate, divine plan? If so, where does Satan's free will come in?
Thoughts?
If you look at Judaism or the OT, Satan very much works for God. In a nut shell, you could say he is God's prosecuting attorney, and a tempter when you look at Job. When you look at the NT, Satan was completely redesigned as a monstrous devil.But he's not like any other angel. He was God's most beloved angels. Then he rebelled so God put Satan in Hell. Now, why would Satan, who rebelled against God and hated God, still work for Him? Sure, Satan doesn't have God's power and authority to do whatever he wants, but he still operates on free will.
I can't find anything that says that angels don't have any sex organs. As for them having sex:angels have no genitals either...
but they have sex in apocryphal texts...
This is the passage most often used in support of angels having sex with humans, but even then it's vague. Never comes out and says that these "sons of God" or "Nephilim" were in fact angels.Gen. 6:1-4 said:"Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, 'My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.' 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
'Praps.The solution, in my opinion...
there are many types of angels.....
Yeah, you're right. It comes from a certain interpretation of a verse in Revelations.Azakel said:I'd say it's more a part of the Jewish Oral tradition then anything written down. The 1/3 of Angels rebelling against God is a Christian thing in there Scripture. It has nothing to do with Judaism and is just another thing early Christians did to twist Jewish Scripture to fit there Propaganda.
In regards to the part I underlined, where exactly does it say anywhere in your scriptures that angels have no freewill? In fact, I would think since 1/3 rebelled against God, siding with Satan, that indicates angels do in fact have free will.
I'd say it's more a part of the Jewish Oral tradition then anything written down. The 1/3 of Angels rebelling against God is a Christian thing in there Scripture. It has nothing to do with Judaism and is just another thing early Christians did to twist Jewish Scripture to fit there Propaganda.
Why did God kill/order the killings of people who have done wrong to Him (Canaanites, Egyptians, Sodom and Gomorrah, pre flood civilizations, etc) and not kill the source of the evil, thus preventing the wrongdoers from doing those things that were bad?
In other words, instead of killing humans that were deceived by Satan, why didn't God just kill Satan?
Is God protecting Satan? If so, why?
Is God using Satan as a pawn in His elaborate, divine plan? If so, where does Satan's free will come in?
Thoughts?
In the post before yours, I already acknowledged this.Except that rebellion never happened.
So, God allows children to be raped and murdered, so that the possibility of his glory can be greater. Do you see something wrong with this?The best way not to be led into temptation is to take the temptation away. But there is more glory that will come to Jesus by his suffering to destroy Satan, by our sharing in the sufferings of Jesus.
God has ordained that Satan have a long leashwith God holding onto itbecause he knows that when we walk in and out of those temptations, struggling both with the physical and moral effects that they bring, more of God's glory will shine in that battle than if he took Satan out yesterday. John Piper Desiring God.org
Jesus wants us to have faith by our own accord, not because it was forced on us.
But you specifically said that God allows Satan to tempt us in order for God to have greater glory.It's people raping and murdering children, etc., not God.
In regards to the part I underlined, where exactly does it say anywhere in your scriptures that angels have no freewill? In fact, I would think since 1/3 rebelled against God, siding with Satan, that indicates angels do in fact have free will.
How is it that everyone read this comment, but no one has read my recant? Post 30 and again in 34.Where in the scriptures does it say that 1/3 of angels rebelled against god? Do you count Milton as scripture?