Comparing veiws Evolution and Creation.

[Tristesse]

JJM: I don't want to be too hard on you. Are you maybe very young? Because you don't seem to know very much.

About the bible you mean. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Father Heathen]

Edited: Auto beat me to it.

But it's funny that he would cite a source that goes against what he is trying to claim.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think you over looked this post.

No, I think you did.

Shot yourself in the foot, son.

 

[Storm]

Edited: Auto beat me to it.

But it's funny that he would cite a source that goes against what he is trying to claim.

Not surprising, though, since he'd have to read it to know that.

 

[Tristesse]

Not surprising, though, since he'd have to read it to know that.

haha he probably stopped at the name moses.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Edited: Auto beat me to it.

But it's funny that he would cite a source that goes against what he is trying to claim.

I don't think it is. Funny that is.

I think he looked up an article and cited it NOT knowing what it said. Because he THINKS whatever is there would support his view. He LITERALLY cannot conceive of a source that would challenge - much less disprove - his mythology.

He has been taught the WOG as written in the bible IS INFALLIBLE. And he believes it. The fact that what he has been taught might be wrong has NEVER occurred to him.:sad:

 

[Father Heathen]

When did I say anything about a movie.

A movie, no. But a work of fiction nonetheless.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

BTW Storm, that was a good site. Interesting argument.

 

[Storm]

Which one? Biblical Literalism, or the one about the Hebrews? Thanks either way.

 

[Autodidact]

People seen first hand the miricles of Jesus and not only that but even if you look at sources outside of the Bible you will find mention of Jesus. Just study the Roman Empire and you will find mention of him.

It makes me sad how little Christians know about their own religion. I think their pastors lie to them, and then leave them to expose their ignorance in public. JJM: There is not a single first-hand account by anyone who was even alive and met Jesus, let alone His miracles. That includes the gospels, which were written decades after His death. And no, the problem for Christians is that in point of fact there are no non-Biblical mentions of Jesus anywhere, including anywhere in the history of the Roman empire. Although you assert that if this existed it would be evidence for Christianity, somehow I have a feeling that the fact that it doesn't actually exist will not be taken by you as evidence against it. Am I right?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"I think their pastors lie to them, and then leave them to expose their ignorance in public"

What makes think their pastors know? Mine didn't. He firmly believed the resurrection was recorded in Roman records. But "Darwinist and god-haters like Gibbon" had erased the passages.

Which was what he was taught in seminary.

 

[Tobi]

What makes think their pastors know? Mine didn't. He firmly believed the resurrection was recorded in Roman records. But "Darwinist and god-haters like Gibbon" had erased the passages.

Which was what he was taught in seminary.

That's despicable. Was that something he'd actually been taught, or just something he'd dreamed up and fooled himself into believing?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Fort Worth, TX, circa 1953.

Course name and number I do not know but that was in the course materials.

 

[Tristesse]

It makes me sad how little Christians know about their own religion. I think their pastors lie to them, and then leave them to expose their ignorance in public. JJM: There is not a single first-hand account by anyone who was even alive and met Jesus, let alone His miracles. That includes the gospels, which were written decades after His death. And no, the problem for Christians is that in point of fact there are no non-Biblical mentions of Jesus anywhere, including anywhere in the history of the Roman empire. Although you assert that if this existed it would be evidence for Christianity, somehow I have a feeling that the fact that it doesn't actually exist will not be taken by you as evidence against it. Am I right?

Well, there are mentions of jesus outside of the bible, but no contemporary eye-witness accounts. And some of them are known forgeries.

 

[JJM]

The Bible is good enough proof for me because I don't know why its authers would make something up but if you need more proof here it is : ancienthistory.about.com/od/exodus/p/Moses.htm look at the bottom of the page and you will find it.

 

[Storm]

You call about.com a scholarly source?

 

[JJM]

You call about.com a scholarly source?

Hve you read the article for your self. Do that then tell me what you think.

 

[Storm]

I skimmed it, which I suspect is more than you did for either of the articles I posted.

 

[JJM]

I skimmed it, which I suspect is more than you did for either of the articles I posted.

Read the section Titled "Historicity?."

 

[Storm]

Have you even skimmed mine? Why do you expect me to read yours, when you refuse to extend the same courtesy?

Also, about.com has all the credibility of AIG.