McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Is not the OLD TESTAMENT still part of the Bible?
If so, then when you claim that the BIBLE does not say to kill, you have to include the OT.
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Why Some Christians Become Militant Atheists
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If so, then when you claim that the BIBLE does not say to kill, you have to include the OT.
Can you prove he did not change His mind about who should be killed or not? It would be in the New Testament if so.
It doesn't matter, if you except the ten commandment, than you have to except the old testament. not to mention without the old testament, you wouldn't have jesus fulfilling prophecy. So, the old testament is indicative of the new
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Because at one time, God had a covenant with the Hebrews that invovled them providing burnt offerings. According to Christianity, Jesus changed that covenant so that He became the sacrifice. You really don't know that?
I am sure that if you wanted to offer a burnt offering to God today that He would not consider it evil. God would never ask his people to do anything evil, would he?
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Alright. Let's say He changed his mind. That means that at one time God felt it was good, in fact necessary, to kill homosexuals. How does that make you feel?
Well, in the old testament god says that he is eternal, he's the same today as he was in the past or even in the future. So, if you believe in the bible you have to take the entirety of the old testament, even if you like the new more.
No Jesus did not change the covenant. It is a trick question. God changed the covenant after Noahs flood. I am using this to prove my point on other threads that non-believers do not get the same knowledge from the Bible as a Christian. That is hardcore proof right there.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Because the foundation of your religion is an ancient tribe, their tribal god and their mythology. Some others later changed it to better suit them, and thus Christianity was born. Those people weren't of that same warring tribes mentality, so they didn't need a god who would lead them in such violent pursuits. They preferred one that would lead them in more pacifistic pursuits.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
What?
You cannot even prove that god exists, so how can anyone prove anything else about him?
What a load of crap.
You get ten thousand people reading the Bible and you get at least ten thousand different opinions as to what it says.
Your arrogantly claiming 'special revelation' is nothing more than ego masturbation.
well, no, because the burden of proof is on the shoulders of the claimant. Not the one who doesn't believe. Because if it was the other way around, we would be believing in everything.
There is a story in The Gospel of John that tells of a woman who was caught in adultery and should be stoned to death. Trying to trap Jesus, they asked Him what they should do. Jesus, while writing on the ground, replied "He who is without sin may cast the first stone". So what does that mean? That the Law was passed down by the people?
I have always believed God to be more merciful than people are. That is, if I go by what Jesus said and compare it to what men say.
I have always believed God to be more merciful than people are. That is, if I go by what Jesus said and compare it to what men say.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
The point is that since one cannot prove the existence of god, how is one supposed to prove something about said god that can not even be proven to exist?
The fact is that you have nothing but your beliefs, which you ratify with the Bible and various other sources.
I do not have to justify myself to you or anyone. Freedom of Religion.
I believe God exist. You do not. You cannot dis-prove his existence. At this time. But that does not mean he does not exist. So therefore you have no foundation to say he does not exist. Other than you own opinion which is not fact.
At one time marine biologist believed there could be no life at the bottom of the deepest part of the oceans, till they eventually explored it long enough to find proof that there is life with no sun light, extreme temperatures and extreme pressure previously believed to not be able to support life.
I believe God exist. You do not. You cannot dis-prove his existence. At this time. But that does not mean he does not exist. So therefore you have no foundation to say he does not exist. Other than you own opinion which is not fact.
At one time marine biologist believed there could be no life at the bottom of the deepest part of the oceans, till they eventually explored it long enough to find proof that there is life with no sun light, extreme temperatures and extreme pressure previously believed to not be able to support life.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
I believe the Balrog from Lord of the Rings exists. You have no evidence to disprove me so therefore he exists. Comeon you can do better than that.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
AS I see just because someone believes in god(s) does not mean one is trying to prove they god is really just because they talk about it. But it does seem sometime that some Atheist at every turn try to dis-prove or at lest demand proof when some one it's even trying to prove anything in the first place. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/61937-burden-proof.html#post1064290
Hey you entitled to your own opinion. If you believe in that so be it. But come on a Balrog demon surely you can come up at least a demi-god, god or ancient one. A frail old white man kicked your Balrogs butt.
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There is a story in The Gospel of John that tells of a woman who was caught in adultery and should be stoned to death. Trying to trap Jesus, they asked Him what they should do. Jesus, while writing on the ground, replied "He who is without sin may cast the first stone". So what does that mean? That the Law was passed down by the people?
I have always believed God to be more merciful than people are. That is, if I go by what Jesus said and compare it to what men say.
Correct, this is Mercy and God is Merciful. This passage also show that God demands repentance and change "sin no more" is a demand for change. The woman to whom this great Mercy was showed had a dramatic change she was not the sinner that once was from that point forward.
At the same time the Lord shoed the religious leaders of the time that God also demand holiness in them, that they also broke His Law and thus they didn't have the right to judge and punish the woman. The other interesting thing shown here is that Jesus could judge and punish, but the did not and makes think of God word I desire mercy: Hsa 6:6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
That silly Jesus. Doesn't he know that the New Covenant was about Noah? Apparently, the author of Hebrews didn't know either...
The covenant God made with Noah was that he would never again destroy all life on earth with a great flood. It is WIDELY recognized by Christianity worldwide that Jesus became the sacrifice that replaces the burnt offering. Instead of killing a lamb, humanity has the "lamb of God". Seriously, where are you getting your theology?
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
You cannot disprove that Zeus exists either. Or that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist. When a person claims that something exists for which there is no physical evidence, the burden of proof is on that person to prove existence.