Quran and women

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to-paarsurrey MemberTheme is women in the Koran
Well, it includes the subject of women
I want to ask you a question
And wait for you to answer
When Muslims go to heaven
The man has Alhoriat
Well Muslim women in paradise what is their share ???
Will it be a reminder to them Alhoriat
?????
Do not get angry from my question
It is very logical and reasonable question

 

[beenie]

Sure.
Please see the verse:
The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa'النِّسَاء
[4:30] O ye who believe! devour not your property among yourselves by unlawful means, except that you earn by trade with mutual consent. And kill not yourselves. Surely, Allah is Merciful to you.

Property is a thing physical.
Regards

I give up.

I don't get why you can't see that He is talking about spiritual weakness in one verse, and physical property in another.

 

[leibowde84]

How does it relate to post #193 ? or Quran verse:
[4:33]And covet* not that whereby Allah has made some of you excel others. Men shall have a share of that which they have earned, and women a share of that which they have earned. And ask Allah of His bounty. Surely, Allah has perfect knowledge of all things.
Please
Regards

My point is that the verse seems to say "Men get a share of what men earn, and women get a share of what men earn". In other words, joint ownership.

 

[leibowde84]

We are discussing Quran verse [4:33] as a context verse of verse [4:35] as mentioned in post #2. Please keep this in mind.
Regards

Can you kindly provide your reasoning rather than going back and forth between Quranic verses. I understand what the words are now in both passages. I am curious as to how you see the issue, how YOU interpret the verses, and why you think that this is appropriate in the real world.

 

[paarsurrey]

I give up.
I don't get why you can't see that He is talking about spiritual weakness in one verse, and physical property in another.

One has no need to give up, it is but human to have different opinion, sometimes both opinions are correct. It is said sometimes a word has seven meanings (sometimes even more), if they all fit in the context, they are all correct. Take the example of the addad(Arabic, singulardidd) such words are self antonyms even in English language such words exist. If there are hints in the context a spiritual as well as physical meaning could both be correct.
I have always liked your way of thinking. You are one of my fans in the forum. One could sometimes differ with a fan even.
Regards.

 

[paarsurrey]

We continue discussing verse by verse, the verses in the context as mentioned in post #2

The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa'النِّسَاء

[4:34]And to every one We have appointed heirs to what the parents and the relations leave, and also those with whom your oaths have ratified a contract. So give them their portion. Surely, Allah watches over all things.

Both males and females inherit property from the parents and relations when they die under a system mentioned elsewhere in Quran. Quran/Islam/Muhammad take care of the males and females with affection.

Regards

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to-paarsurrey

Why ignore the answer to my question ?? in Post 201Women in the ground are doomed to their husbands Barta'a
In paradise look to have sex with their husbands Alhoriat
Do you think that there is real equality between men and women in Islam

 

[psychoslice]

I think any religion that teachers separation between man and women should be discarded.

 

[paarsurrey]

I think any religion that teachers separation between man and women should be discarded.

Having separation in a married couple is never appreciated , however sometimes a temporary separation may be used as a cure or to resolve an altercation that has occurred between husband and wife/wives to save the family from being broken, and it is discussed in Quran verse [4:35], as implied by our friend FearGod .
And I also support him in his argument.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Having separation in a married couple is never appreciated , however sometimes a temporary separation may be used as a cure or to resolve an altercation that has occurred between husband and wife/wives to save the family from being broken, and it is discussed in Quran verse [4:35], as implied by our friend FearGod .
And I also support him in his argument.
Regards

Yes I see, I was talking more about male and female being equal has human beings, but I see your point.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes I see, I was talking more about male and female being equal has human beings, but I see your point.

Some times behind an attractive/soft words there is volcano that could erupt any-time. Rather than equality, an attractive word, equitable is more practical because humans have different faculties and emotions are also involved. Why allure one and exploit one behind attractive words.
I have started a new thread to bring out another aspect of male and female relationship, #1.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Some times behind an attractive/soft words there is volcano that could erupt any-time. Rather than equality, an attractive word, equitable is more practical because humans have different faculties and emotions are also involved. Why allure one and exploit one behind attractive words.
I have started a new thread to bring out another aspect of male and female relationship, #1.
Regards

I don't really understand where your going, all I know is that we are all equal, of cause we are different as male and female in body and hormones, but that has nothing to do with who we truly are.

 

[paarsurrey]

Having separation in a married couple is never appreciated , however sometimes a temporary separation may be used as a cure or to resolve an altercation that has occurred between husband and wife/wives to save the family from being broken, and it is discussed in Quran verse [4:35], as implied by our friend FearGod .
And I also support him in his argument.
Regards

And the next verse of Quran:
[4:36]And if you fear a breach between them, then appoint an arbiter from his folk and an orbiter from her folk. If they (the arbiters) desire reconciliation, Allah will effect it between them. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

If the temporary separation living in separate room in the same house or if one has more wives then for some days living in some other wife's house does not work. The next step is to have arbitration as mentioned in the verse and coloured by in magenta.
The formation of the arbitration is equally defined in the verse to resolve the issue so that the children don't suffer.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

The Atheists and their like, should quote from a text book of science, as the these people so often fall back on science as an ideal for humans, though science does not cover these aspects of human life and science is a common product of religions and non-religions in physical and material fields .

Most of the atheists I know are not scientists. They are largely into business and marketing.

I have some atheists that are doctors, but they don't dwell too much on "science". Science to them is just a tool, to better understand their jobs or careers, to help and advise people on matter of illnesses or health issues.

They are atheists simply because they don't believe that God exist, and not because of any atheistic literature. They just a normal life, work or receive education or have a family that they are responsible for. They socialise with friends that are religious and not religious; friends who have religion, often don't matter to atheists, because they (atheists) are friends to (religious) people whom they care for, not because of the people's religions.

They have family and friends too. Not all atheists are or were scientists.

That you would equate atheism with science, just show us the level of your biased ignorance.

Just as there are Muslims or Christians or Hindus or belonging to whatever religions out there, having a wide of jobs or careers, including those relating to science, it is the same for both atheists and agnostics. Atheists can be accountants, salespeople, carpenters, artists, singers, sailors, etc.

Grow up, paarsurrey. Because the only people who have a very narrow view is you.

As to Qur'an on women, I have read Qur'an 4, and I am in no way impressed.

The whole man is stronger than woman, a breadwinner, the husband is the head of house (or family), while woman is weak therefore needing protection, stay at home and raise children, must obey to any male figure (like father, brother or husband) - just demonstrate to me how there are no equality in Islam and Islamic society, because it is a religion that favoured the patricians or patriarchs.

I can see apparent inequality, misogyny and sexism in Qur'an 4, which Muslims often make apologetic excuses for the Qur'an's backwardness.

 

[gnostic]

Are we aloud to share our opinion or line of reasoning without citing any source? What if it is, to the best of our knowledge, our own, original line of reasoning? Seems kinda rigid, but you are the OP, so can you clarify the guidelines?

If you don't include sources in your reply, paarsurrey will claim "victory", meaning that he doesn't care if you have original ideas.

But if you do include sources, he will either ignore them or he will switch goalpost on you before you can blink.

He will only agree with you if you agree with his reply. He will never admit he is in errors with his view, or that he will ignore you if you try to correct him.

He does that every single time, when he start a new topic.

 

[gnostic]

If a woman has to OBEY her husband and punish her for disobedience, then it is not a marriage based on equality.

If a woman must obey her husband or get punished if she doesn't, then doesn't that make it like a relationship between master and slave?

 

[leibowde84]

If a woman has to OBEY her husband and punish her for disobedience, then it is not a marriage based on equality.

If a woman must obey her husband or get punished if she doesn't, then doesn't that make it like a relationship between master and slave?

It sure does.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Most of the atheists I know are not scientists. They are largely into business and marketing.

I have some atheists that are doctors, but they don't dwell too much on "science". Science to them is just a tool, to better understand their jobs or careers, to help and advise people on matter of illnesses or health issues.

They are atheists simply because they don't believe that God exist, and not because of any atheistic literature. They just a normal life, work or receive education or have a family that they are responsible for. They socialise with friends that are religious and not religious; friends who have religion, often don't matter to atheists, because they (atheists) are friends to (religious) people whom they care for, not because of the people's religions.

They have family and friends too. Not all atheists are or were scientists.

Yup. This is me. I always get confused when some folks seem to think I should be able to justify the Big Bang theory in a hundred words or less. I'm a self-employed computer guy with a wife and 2 daughters. The Big Bang doesn't bother me, and I don't bother it.

It was different when I was a primary school teacher, since this gave me a chance to try and turn every little kid I met to the Dark Side, but...errr...actually, disregard that last bit.

 

[Useless2015]

I think any religion that teachers separation between man and women should be discarded.

Start with discarding nature. Most females have female friends and most men have male friends. No religion taught that, its human nature. Who is seperating who??

 

[psychoslice]

Start with discarding nature. Most females have female friends and most men have male friends. No religion taught that, its human nature. Who is seperating who??

But that's not separation, that just what men and women do, and yes its probably a natural thing to do, now if we go and try to change that, then we are going against our nature as human beings.