Did you read Quran neutrally?

[Jedster]

Isn't the point of a scripture that people do not feel neutral towards it?

Luis, I am not sure of your point here.
For those that are already committed to a religion, of course they are not neutral.
For instance, if I ask a person of religion X, why do you wear your hat backwards(no offence to rappers here), many may answer ,"I don't know, wait a minute while I look it up in our rule book(scripture)".
So this Xer believes although she may not have read the whole book.

On the other hand, a person who has grown up free of religion and decided to investigate truth/god etc could read any scripture without prejudice, i.e neutral.

..and on the other hand(I have 3 hands)..I may have misunderstood your comment.

 

[ankarali]

I wil say only one thing, Qoran invited the unbelivers to prepare a book as Qoran but Unbelievers people couldn't do it and after Qoran said therefore make only a page of Qoran and unbelievers used their most popular writers and poets but they couldn't do it and after Qoran invited the unbelivers to make only a sentence of Qoran but they could'nt do it and they prefered to attack to the muslims and since 1400 years any arabic poet or writer is not able to do a sentence as Qoran did.

 

[Kirran]

I wil say only one thing, Qoran invited the unbelivers to prepare a book as Qoran but Unbelievers people couldn't do it and after Qoran said therefore make only a page of Qoran and unbelievers used their most popular writers and poets but they couldn't do it and after Qoran invited the unbelivers to make only a sentence of Qoran but they could'nt do it and they prefered to attack to the muslims and since 1400 years any arabic poet or writer is not able to do a sentence as Qoran did.

What do you mean 'write a page of Qur'an'? It is entirely subjective whether a piece of writing is 'as the Qur'an'.

 

[ankarali]

I mean it is impossible to write a book as Qur'an.

 

[LuisDantas]

I mean it is impossible to write a book as Qur'an.

I wonder if having learned any Arabic would lead me to think differently, but if the translations are any indication at all, that sounds unlikely. The Qur'an just isn't that impressive a book.

 

[LuisDantas]

Luis, I am not sure of your point here.

That is strange. People always understand me immediately, even intuictively. Always. Ever.

(...)
On the other hand, a person who has grown up free of religion and decided to investigate truth/god etc could read any scripture without prejudice, i.e neutral.

Well, that is the thing. Scriptures are meant to be read by people willing to project a sense of significance into them. I don't think that is neutrality.

..and on the other hand(I have 3 hands)..I may have misunderstood your comment.

Utterly impossible. You are rather obviously biased against your natural tendency to effortlessly understand and accept my wisdom.

Okay, maybe not.

 

[Kirran]

I mean it is impossible to write a book as Qur'an.

What do you mean 'as Qur'an'?

 

[Koldo]

I wil say only one thing, Qoran invited the unbelivers to prepare a book as Qoran but Unbelievers people couldn't do it and after Qoran said therefore make only a page of Qoran and unbelievers used their most popular writers and poets but they couldn't do it and after Qoran invited the unbelivers to make only a sentence of Qoran but they could'nt do it and they prefered to attack to the muslims and since 1400 years any arabic poet or writer is not able to do a sentence as Qoran did.

In what way(s) does it have to be similar ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Apparently the challenge comes from the Qur'an itself.

http://www.iqrasense.com/quran/allahs-challenge-in-the-quran-to-produce-work-similar-to-it.html

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/ijaz.html

However, I don't think there is any actual evidence that it has been tried in an environment that was not predisposed to declare the results in favor of the divine origin of the Quran.

As a matter of fact, I don't think there is more than vague, anedoctal evidence that it has been tried at all. There is not even a clear indication of the name or time when it would have been tried. I fully expect the rumors to be entirely fictional.

Besides, there are lots of more impressive books than the Qur'an around, not a few of them explicitly fictional. If a Muslim has had the opportunity to read the Song of Fire and Ice, the Mahabharata (sp)?, some Tolkien or some Edgar Alan Poe and did not find those superior in contents and style, then I must assume there will be no convincing them.

 

[Jedster]

That is strange. People always understand me immediately, even intuictively. Always. Ever.

aah my bad obviously

Well, that is the thing. Scriptures are meant to be read by people willing to project a sense of significance into them. I don't think that is neutrality.
I see your point. I didn't think of that. You may be correct some of the time.

Utterly impossible. You are rather obviously biased against your natural tendency to effortlessly understand and accept my wisdom.
Okay, maybe not.
This could be true,, possibly.

 

[Shad]

I wil say only one thing, Qoran invited the unbelivers to prepare a book as Qoran but Unbelievers people couldn't do it and after Qoran said therefore make only a page of Qoran and unbelievers used their most popular writers and poets but they couldn't do it and after Qoran invited the unbelivers to make only a sentence of Qoran but they could'nt do it and they prefered to attack to the muslims and since 1400 years any arabic poet or writer is not able to do a sentence as Qoran did.

Make a poem better than Shakespeare, if you can not Shakespeare is divine. You're argument is nonsense as it shifts the burden of proof.

 

[morphesium]

I wil say only one thing, Qoran invited the unbelivers to prepare a book as Qoran but Unbelievers people couldn't do it and after Qoran said therefore make only a page of Qoran and unbelievers used their most popular writers and poets but they couldn't do it and after Qoran invited the unbelivers to make only a sentence of Qoran but they could'nt do it and they prefered to attack to the muslims and since 1400 years any arabic poet or writer is not able to do a sentence as Qoran did.

If unbelievers make a book, it would make sense. It will never be like Qoran.

Unbelievers can make a book on relativity and quantum electrodynamics, genitics and evolution. Can the believers make this? at least a part of it?

 

[McBell]

I wil say only one thing, Qoran invited the unbelivers to prepare a book as Qoran but Unbelievers people couldn't do it and after Qoran said therefore make only a page of Qoran and unbelievers used their most popular writers and poets but they couldn't do it and after Qoran invited the unbelivers to make only a sentence of Qoran but they could'nt do it and they prefered to attack to the muslims and since 1400 years any arabic poet or writer is not able to do a sentence as Qoran did.

Kent Hovind Challenges only work for the choir.
It proves absolutely nothing.
It does reveal the prejudice, bias, and bigotry of the "challenger" though.

 

[paarsurrey]

If unbelievers make a book, it would make sense. It will never be like Qoran.
Unbelievers can make a book on relativity and quantum electrodynamics, genitics and evolution. Can the believers make this? at least a part of it?

Will these be the books of Atheism or books of science? You are simply wrong. Right?Please
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Will these be the books of Atheism or books of science? You are simply wrong. Right?Please
Regards

Science is not atheism. Why do you think he or she is wrong?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I mean it is impossible to write a book as Qur'an.

It can write a thousand better than the Holy Book
This is the meaning of your words, and I know
Quran is the miracle of language
And Mohammed Hajj with the Arabs
But the fact that some verses of the Koran are transferred to the verses by poets before Muhammad
And like the moon split
These are the verses of Vshehadh Arab poet known

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

First :
Verse that speaks of the splitting of the moon is the poem to the Arab poet known he was in Mecca before Islam
Mohammed has stolen the first part of which
This is the word of one Muslim scholars say that some verses of the Koran were written before he came down the Koran
Imam Abdul Rauf Manawy a senior scientist in the book to explain the iceberg Qadeer small mosque says
splitting of the moon is a poem .. stolen from the Poet (emroe al-kes )


The time approached and the moon split Ghazal R * of my heart and Navarre

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Did you read Quran neutrally?
Yes , my thoughts ,,well that should keep them out of trouble.
But it doesn't though does it.

 

[paarsurrey]

morphesium said: ↑
If unbelievers make a book, it would make sense. It will never be like Qoran.
Unbelievers can make a book on relativity and quantum electrodynamics, genitics and evolution. Can the believers make this? at least a part of it?

Science is not atheism. Why do you think he or she is wrong?

Was not Newton a scientist and believer? In science both Atheists and Believers have contributed. So, friend morphesium was wrong to generalize it for Atheism people.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Did you read Quran neutrally?
Yes , my thoughts ,,well that should keep them out of trouble.
But it doesn't though does it.

I could not get you exactly. Please elaborate.
Regards