Did you read Quran neutrally?

[MARCELLO]

So you are saying the earth is flat and science are wrong about a round shaped earth?
When for example Sunan Abu Dawud 3991 says that your prophet muhammad said the SUN goes down in water - then it is true and science is wrong, yes?
Is that what you want to say?


Quran 4:11-12 and 4:176 - About law and inheritance;
Man dies leaving behind
Wife is1/8 = 3/24 (4:12)
Daughters 2/3 = 16/24 (4:176)
Father 1/6 = 4/24 (4:11)
Mother1/6 = 4/24(4:11)
Total = 27/24=1.125 - You dont even have enough. Is math at fault here or the quran?

This is what exactly I mean. This calculation is wrong,do the math.

 

[Muffled]

I have never read it. And after reading the posts by Muslims on this site I have no intention of EVER doing so. :no:

One book of ancient war stories about a tribal god who is a petty tyrant infused with hate for all who think differently from his pet humans is enough for me.

As for reward and punishment:

Alike for those who for TO-DAY prepare,
And those that after some TO-MORROW stare,
A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries,
"Fools! your Reward is neither Here nor There."

I believe it wouldn't do you any good to read it with such a biased view.

 

[Muffled]

The inheritance error is not an error in the Quran. You are using a different system then the Quran to make your calculations. Islam would not be a big religion, if the errors you see in the Quran were really there. Muslim inheritance specialists deal with this problem all the time and they are able to distribute the inheritance according to the Quran, every time.

If a mathematical system is used for hundrets of years in society, and never causes problems, I dont see how there could be an error in it.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_addup.htm

I believe my brother used to say that statistics don't lie but statisticians do.

 

[Jedster]

I think a book contain: Economical guides, Historical stories, Scientifical provisions, Political issues, Ethical awareness, total view of life and human future and last but not least very clear view of God and his adjectives.. I think that book need at least one time (Neutral) reading without pre-concepts from media or anything else.

So, did you read Quran as a book neutrally?

Yes, I first read the Quaran in the 70s long before our media were full of terror reports. I also studied the theology with 4 different sects.
My initial thoughts were that the Quaran was a poor plagiarisation of Jewish and Christian texts.
However, Muslims explained to me that the Quaran is a progression from Judaism and Christianity. An explanation which I accept from them.

IMO, it's pity that they are so strong about Muhammed being the last revealer.(The same goes for Christianity(Jesus) & Judaism(Moses)).

If all 3 of theses religions would have accepted Bahá'u'lláh(founder of the Bahais), then the world would a more peaceful place. At least in the 'Abrahamic' world.

 

[gnostic]

I think a book contain: Economical guides, Historical stories, Scientifical provisions, Political issues, Ethical awareness, total view of life and human future and last but not least very clear view of God and his adjectives.. I think that book need at least one time (Neutral) reading without pre-concepts from media or anything else.

So, did you read Quran as a book neutrally?

It is hard to be neutral, because it contained some of the same figures in both Hebrew (like Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, David, etc) and Christian texts (like Jesus, and his mother Mary).

It is hard to not compare the Qur'an with the Hebrew Tanakh or Torah, or with the Christian gospels and epistles.

It is a great book, but mainly because so many follow it and believe it, but literature-wise I don't like the writing style, because I find some of the themes very disjointed, not pieced together properly. It could talk about one recognisiable figure, but the next verse could be talking about some from either distant past or distant future. Or it jump from one subject to another...totally unrelated subject. The author is not consistent.

It sort of make me feel like I reading someone (author) to be suffering from ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder).

 

[Muffled]

Yes, I first read the Quaran in the 70s long before our media were full of terror reports. I also studied the theology with 4 different sects.
My initial thoughts were that the Quaran was a poor plagiarisation of Jewish and Christian texts.
However, Muslims explained to me that the Quaran is a progression from Judaism and Christianity. An explanation which I accept from them.

IMO, it's pity that they are so strong about Muhammed being the last revealer.(The same goes for Christianity(Jesus) & Judaism(Moses)).

If all 3 of theses religions would have accepted Bahá'u'lláh(founder of the Bahais), then the world would a more peaceful place. At least in the 'Abrahamic' world.

I don't believe this Mohamedan myth to be true. For a later document to be progressive it must be shown that progress is being made. I have seen no such thing. I do believe the Qu'ran contains issues God has with certain Chistian practices and Jewish ideas but that isn't bringing things forward but restoring what should be.

I believe I accept The Baha'u'llah as an illuminati but I haven't seen any evidence that he is a messenger of God. Is there anywhere in the text that he says "God said or says?" Even the Qu'ran doesn't say that because the information came from an angel. The concept is that the angel was sent by God so the words are sanctioned. I believe Jesus doesn't say it because He is God in the flesh so His sttements are the statements of God and he does say that.

 

[Muffled]

It is hard to be neutral, because it contained some of the same figures in both Hebrew (like Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, David, etc) and Christian texts (like Jesus, and his mother Mary).

It is hard to not compare the Qur'an with the Hebrew Tanakh or Torah, or with the Christian gospels and epistles.

It is a great book, but mainly because so many follow it and believe it, but literature-wise I don't like the writing style, because I find some of the themes very disjointed, not pieced together properly. It could talk about one recognisiable figure, but the next verse could be talking about some from either distant past or distant future. Or it jump from one subject to another...totally unrelated subject. The author is not consistent.

It sort of make me feel like I reading someone (author) to be suffering from ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder).

I believe that gives it more credibility as a work of non-fiction. It is typical of fiction that the story line is plotted out and flows according to the author's wishes.

 

[Jedster]

I don't believe this Mohamedan myth to be true. For a later document to be progressive it must be shown that progress is being made. I have seen no such thing. I do believe the Qu'ran contains issues God has with certain Chistian practices and Jewish ideas but that isn't bringing things forward but restoring what should be.
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Just to be clear, I don't believe in any book(scripture) to have any authority. I was just answering the OP which asked if I read the Quaran neutrally, which I did.
My comment regarding Bahais came from spending time with Bahais, whom I found progressive. Same goes for Ahmadis.

 

[Noa]

To the original post: I like to think that I did. But it is probably naive to think that one can ever read something while being entirely neutral.

 

[NathanShepard8888]

I continued believing in the Most High after reading it. It not only relates to the Torah, Law, Prophets and Gospels but also the Book of Jasher concerning Joseph and the woman, the Book of Peter concerning the crucifiction of Christ, and the Book of Thomas concerning Jesus in infancy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes. There are good things in it, and there are terrible things in it.

 

[psychoslice]

I have read the Koran, but it just didn't do anything for me, but that's only my opinion.

 

[paarsurrey]

I have read the Koran, but it just didn't do anything for me, but that's only my opinion.

What did you expect it to do?
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

What did you expect it to do?
Regards

Well I read it with an open mind, and really wanted to see its beauty that so many talk about, but it made me feel nauseated, but I have to say I don't really know why, it was just a gut feeling. Where as I can read the new testament and not have that feeling, even though I know there is some awful stuff in there as there is in all scriptures.

 

[paarsurrey]

Well I read it with an open mind, and really wanted to see its beauty that so many talk about, but it made me feel nauseated, but I have to say I don't really know why, it was just a gut feeling. Where as I can read the new testament and not have that feeling, even though I know there is some awful stuff in there as there is in all scriptures.

Well I enjoy reading Quran, Bible, Gita, Gospel of Buddha, Yasna and every other Word from G-d.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Well I enjoy reading Quran, Bible, Gita, Gospel of Buddha, Yasna and every other Word from G-d.
Regards

That's great, that's what I do also, thanks.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I think a book contain: Economical guides, Historical stories, Scientifical provisions, Political issues, Ethical awareness, total view of life and human future and last but not least very clear view of God and his adjectives.. I think that book need at least one time (Neutral) reading without pre-concepts from media or anything else.

So, did you read Quran as a book neutrally?

I personally read through the Eyes of God.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I think a book contain: Economical guides, Historical stories, Scientifical provisions, Political issues, Ethical awareness, total view of life and human future and last but not least very clear view of God and his adjectives.. I think that book need at least one time (Neutral) reading without pre-concepts from media or anything else.

So, did you read Quran as a book neutrally?

The contents of the Koran include
Muhammad's life and sexual relationship with his wives ??
Many verses
As well as the teachings of all the killing and fighting
And also about the teachings of Alemraep mind and discrimination against women
And also educated about paradise and sexual practices in cheap Commission Islam
And also the provisions of hatred for Jews and Christians
The provisions contradictory with each burner and copied

And also transport and distortion of some novels
Like the story of Mary
And the story of Moses and the story of Joseph
I do not know what is beautiful in the Koran after this

 

[morphesium]

If God exists - Islam is a religion that takes one away from God in the name of God and Quran is the tool for that - Cripple ones morals, kill the innocents, rape the women and kids.
Alas! A never ending feast for the devil.

 

[LuisDantas]

Isn't the point of a scripture that people do not feel neutral towards it?