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Did you read Quran neutrally?

moegypt

moegypt

Active Member
I think a book contain: Economical guides, Historical stories, Scientifical provisions, Political issues, Ethical awareness, total view of life and human future and last but not least very clear view of God and his adjectives.. I think that book need at least one time (Neutral) reading without pre-concepts from media or anything else.

So, did you read Quran as a book neutrally?
 
ayani

ayani

member
yes, i did. it is a well-composed, impressive book with many topics, themes, and aspects. like you said, it covers many topics within a single text, and does so with what many would call grace and inspired clarity.
 
whereismynotecard

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
I didn't read it, because I don't like long religious books, but if I did, I think I'd be pretty neutral about it. I don't have a problem with Muslims. The ones I met in Toronto were very nice.
 
moegypt

moegypt

Active Member
YmirGF said:
Yes, the first time I read it, I did read it with an open mind. However, it is upon subsequent readings that my heart hardened towards what I read. You see, if one remains an unbeliever, the book does not speak very kindly. It's only good news if you are a believer.
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Sure, because If you are not believer that means that you deny everything,You refuse the God and The God refuse you.
 
Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
I've read quite a lot of the Qur'an, and what I've read, I've attempted to do so neutrally.

However, I'm less than impressed, especially with its take on "the non-believer", its continual talk of "the fire", "those who disbeliever", etc, to be honest. No offence meant there or anything. :)
 
kai

kai

ragamuffin
I was wondering how many Muslims revert just from reading the Quran? How about the influence of family members,your society etc, do we have any Muslim members who have become Muslim just from reading the Quran?


How about you Moegypt?
 
moegypt

moegypt

Active Member
Odion said:
I've read quite a lot of the Qur'an, and what I've read, I've attempted to do so neutrally.

However, I'm less than impressed, especially with its take on "the non-believer", its continual talk of "the fire", "those who disbeliever", etc, to be honest. No offence meant there or anything. :)
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you didnt talk abou the heaven..

There is a way and 2 ends..everyone has to choose ,we are not on earth for free offer..Responsibility means that there are consequences
 
moegypt

moegypt

Active Member
kai said:
I was wondering how many Muslims revert just from reading the Quran? How about the influence of family members,your society etc, do we have any Muslim members who have become Muslim just from reading the Quran?


How about you Moegypt?
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you will find millions of that type of people but most of them will not be arabs they will be european or american or indian etc...
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I have read much of it a long time ago,i think though that it only an interesting read if you are a believer to begin with,its a bit like struggling through the first few pages of the Bible,you know Adam begat Cane and Able and they begat so and so etc so if you do not believe its a sruggle to read it.
What i find interesting is for the majority of Muslims,the Qur'an does'nt stand alone and requires one to read the Sunna and ahadith to fully appreciate it which is puzzling for a book with a clear message.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
moegypt said:
I think a book contain: Economical guides, Historical stories, Scientifical provisions, Political issues, Ethical awareness, total view of life and human future and last but not least very clear view of God and his adjectives.. I think that book need at least one time (Neutral) reading without pre-concepts from media or anything else.

So, did you read Quran as a book neutrally?
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My first reading was of a library book which was a Saudi Arabian authorized version with annotations. My approach wa neutral but I read the book with Jesus as my guide. One of the first things that Jesus pointed out to me was that the annotations weren't worth reading because they were biased. Then there were verses that would be a problem for a Christian but Jesus explained how the Word of God was consistent.
 
Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
moegypt said:
you didnt talk abou the heaven..
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Because Heaven is not somewhere I'm going according to Islam, it's not something that really concerns me. :shrug: That, and I see a lot more emphasis on for "those who disbelieve".

There is a way and 2 ends..everyone has to choose ,we are not on earth for free offer..Responsibility means that there are consequences
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What a negative view of the Divine, to resort to turning the Creator of the universe into what appears as a petty king who is so insecure he needs to be worshipped or will punish people forever in pain unimaginable.

I don't believe in hell, by the way. I don't think I could ever love, respect or worship a God who was capable of such punishing people, whether I know them or not, based on their religion.

I'm happy with my view of God. :)
 
Peace

Peace

Quran & Sunnah
Odion said:
Because Heaven is not somewhere I'm going according to Islam,
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Did you see your name mentioned somewhere Odion, for your speak with absoluteness.
If you see yourself not going to Paradise because you are the one who has chosen not to go.:facepalm:

it's not something that really concerns me. :shrug:
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Are you sure? :eek: Aren't you going to change your opinion one day? :rolleyes:

That, and I see a lot more emphasis on for "those who disbelieve".
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You haven't completed the reading of the whole Quran Odion and I believe you are the one who is looking just for what awaits the dibelievers while neglecting the other side of the coin; the remarkable reward that awaits the believers.

Odion said:
What a negative view of the Divine, to resort to turning the Creator of the universe into what appears as a petty king who is so insecure he needs to be worshipped or will punish people forever in pain unimaginable.
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May Allah forbid.
Again I would say that you are the one who has chosen to see God as described in your words above.
I see God as Merciful and Just by the way!

I don't believe in hell, by the way. I don't think I could ever love, respect or worship a God who was capable of such punishing people, whether I know them or not, based on their religion.
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In this case and based on your own logic there is no need for prisons and courts because there is no need to punish the criminals and all those who do injustice to humanity. :cover:
 
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Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Peace said:
Did you see your name mentioned somewhere Odion, for your speak with absoluteness.
If you see yourself not going to Paradise because you are the one who has chosen not to go.:facepalm:
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Well, speaking from right now of course. I'm not a Muslim, so according to almost all Muslim's I've met, I'm (apparently) not going to Heaven. :D


Are you sure? :eek: Aren't you going to change your opinion one day? :rolleyes:
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Who knows? Maybe, things change. Maybe I'll surprise everyone and become Muslim sometime; I haven't ruled out that possibility after all, I just don't find it very likely right now.

You haven't completed the reading of the whole Quran Odion and I believe you are the one who is looking just for what awaits the dibelievers while neglecting the other side of the coin; the remarkable reward that awaits the believers.

May Allah forbid.
Again I would say that you are the one who has chosen to see God as described in your words above.
I see God as Merciful and Just by the way!
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I'm glad you see God as merciful and just. Just because I've not read the Qur'an completely, though, does not mean I have not read a lot of it.

I'm not 'looking just for what awaits the disbelievers', otherwise I wouldn't believe I have read the Qur'an neutrally. The reason I've come to this conclusion is because it's the way it looks from the Qur'an.

We were created to worship God - who created everything in the universe, and if we don't, ultimately we burn in hell for eternity with our skins being replaced continually so we can feel more pain.

Right?

This quote sums up my thought on this quite well.
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein
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I want to be good not because I want to be rewarded, but because I want to be a good person, with good intentions, who wants to improve the world as much as I can, and have life as pleasant for everyone as possible. :)
In this case and based on your own logic there is no need for prisons and courts because there is no need to punish the criminals and all those who do injustice to humanity. :cover:
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On the contrary, this is an extreme view, and one I've often been accused of which I find quite unfair, to be honest. I disagree with torturing people in fire forever, so I don't believe in prisons or punishment? Not at all.

I merely see a difference in torturing someone, especially forever, and punishing someone for a crime. I have no problem with things like, annihilationism. Just eternal punishment. Too extreme for me.
 
OmarKhayyam

OmarKhayyam

Well-Known Member
I have never read it. And after reading the posts by Muslims on this site I have no intention of EVER doing so. :no:

One book of ancient war stories about a tribal god who is a petty tyrant infused with hate for all who think differently from his pet humans is enough for me.:p

As for reward and punishment:

Alike for those who for TO-DAY prepare,
And those that after some TO-MORROW stare,
A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries,
"Fools! your Reward is neither Here nor There."


 
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