Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[leibowde84]

And most if not all fights are abusive.

If both people are fighting, there is no victim. Thus, it is not "domestic abuse", according to what that term means.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Speaking from the US, women often exploit men. Getting pregnant purposely then collecting child-support checks. I've personally seen this scenario a LOT. I know several women who continue to have children out of wedlock with different men so they can collect the full child support from each man. It's shameful.
I've also personally seen a lot of women refuse to let the fathers have contact with the children. Can't blame the men for that.
And as I said, I live in a conservative state where the courts will side with the mother unless it is clearly indicated that the mother cannot take care of her children. So maybe the fathers are trying to get custody of their kids but can't.
My sister's son was given to his father by the court because she was deemed unfit. And my cousin got custody of his son without having to go to court because the mother agreed to it.

One thing about the west, it's not one size fits all.

No, it's more about go into another country and bomb the heck out of it
Thank you for an unbiased open honest post.

 

[leibowde84]

because there are all sorts of abuse, even arguments are abuse. You are speaking of one narrow band of abuse. Okay? enough said.

No, arguments are not abuse. There is no mention of two-sided arguments in any definition. If both are participating in an argument or fight, it is not abuse. The term "abuse", in regards to people, requires a victim and an aggressor.

 

[columbus]

Speaking from the US, women often exploit men. Getting pregnant purposely then collecting child-support checks. I've personally seen this scenario a LOT.

This^^^
I've seen similar scenarios play out all too commonly.
Because women "have the power", in the USA, when it comes to child raising. Women can off their progeny if they want to, it doesn't matter what the father wants. And if they decide not to they can demand child support, doesn't matter what the father wants. They don't always get it, but the law is on their side.
Tom

 

[Robert.Evans]

NOT ALWAYS! Please quit the unconditional assessments.

So an argument is about not making some one see your point? How does that work *scratches head*

 

[leibowde84]

because there are all sorts of abuse, even arguments are abuse. You are speaking of one narrow band of abuse. Okay? enough said.

But, again, the claim of yours in question is that "abuse is most often not one-sided". You didn't say "abusive relationships are most often not one-sided", you said "abuse". And, since we were discussing a marital situation, it would be "domestic abuse", which includes verbal, mental, and physical abuse coming from either a man or woman.

 

[columbus]

No, it's more about go into another country and bomb the heck out of it
Thank you for an unbiased open honest post.

This is a remarkably ignorant response to her post.
Tom

 

[Robert.Evans]

It takes two to fight. If the abused one fights back with abuse THEN it is two-sided. Is that not obvious?

Who are you talking to? me presumable; and yet that is what I am saying. Boy!!

 

[leibowde84]

So an argument is about not making some one see your point? How does that work *scratches head*

Nope. An argument is about CONVINCING someone of something, not "forcing" or "making". Abuse might be forcing another to agree with you by force or threat.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If the "abused" one fights back, it is no longer "abuse". It is a fight.

They are still both abusing one another.

 

[Robert.Evans]

No, arguments are not abuse. There is no mention of two-sided arguments in any definition. If both are participating in an argument or fight, it is not abuse. The term "abuse", in regards to people, requires a victim and an aggressor.

You have difficulty with the definitions then, that you so crave for, the links, the sources, then when I give them you, you don't even see what is said there and think it backs you up.

 

[savagewind]

If both people are fighting, there is no victim. Thus, it is not "domestic abuse", according to what that term means.

I agree. Real domestic abuse is any kind of treatment from one spouse that makes the other spouse wish to be away from the abuser.
Criminal domestic abuse is abuse severe enough to cause damage.

 

[Robert.Evans]

This^^^
I've seen similar scenarios play out all too commonly.
Because women "have the power", in the USA, when it comes to child raising. Women can off their progeny if they want to, it doesn't matter what the father wants. And if they decide not to they can demand child support, doesn't matter what the father wants. They don't always get it, but the law is on their side.
Tom
Ive

It's called equality and is why feminists set out to destroy the family. And that is fact and racism all rolled into one haha

 

[savagewind]

Who are you talking to? me presumable; and yet that is what I am saying. Boy!!

Who? The readers of the religious forums. Who are YOU talking to?

 

[leibowde84]

They are still both abusing one another.

It isn't an example of "domestic abuse". This is not addressing your claim that "abuse is most-often not one-sided", which is counter-intuitive.

 

[Robert.Evans]

But, again, the claim of yours in question is that "abuse is most often not one-sided". You didn't say "abusive relationships are most often not one-sided", you said "abuse". And, since we were discussing a marital situation, it would be "domestic abuse", which includes verbal, mental, and physical abuse coming from either a man or woman.

And one of your example was "verbal" and could easily be seen as an argument. I am not saying it is always that way, I am saying it could be. Don't forget, it is you that is trying to define this on a thin line.

 

[savagewind]

It's called equality and is why feminists set out to destroy the family. And that is fact and racism all rolled into one haha

How many feminists have said what you say feminists say? One?

 

[columbus]

It's called equality and is why feminists set out to destroy the family. And that is fact and racism all rolled into one haha

Where is the facts and where is the racism?
I'm not seeing any in your post.
Tom

 

[savagewind]

Nope. An argument is about CONVINCING someone of something, not "forcing" or "making". Abuse might be forcing another to agree with you by force or threat.

I might bring it one step further. Some arguments are just for defining a person's point of view and are NOT for finding agreement.
Let me show you where I stand in contrast to where I think you stand. That is a mature argument I think.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Nope. An argument is about CONVINCING someone of something, not "forcing" or "making". Abuse might be forcing another to agree with you by force or threat.

You contradict yourself.