Irony of the evolutionary belief

[Pogo]

what is your observation?: that the universe is FT
What is your prediction: that chance and necesity hypotheis woudl fail // that the life permittign rage would still be narrow as more knowledge and deeper laws are discovered
What are the facts?: that the universe is Ft (this measn that the life permitting values are narrow)

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What is the test? : this is not part of the hypothesis (this would be the next step)
What variables do you control for: no idea what you mean

It is not for us to do this, The burden is on you and you haven't learned to crawl let alone walk.

The world is still out of your control.

 

[leroy]

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That is nice, your next step is to propose a test that we can agree will actually test the prediction.

Sure the test would be simulations…………… we can use simulations on what would happen if say the mass of the electron where larger and see how the universe evolves……………that has been done and reported in the literature

Burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence. To provide the test, and demonstrate how the evidence leads to your conclusion.,
You have done none of this, only asserted your conclusion.


Assuming FT without even demonstrating it first just takes you back a step, you have to define and demonstrate FT first. Hint, the fact that we are here by itself only demonstrates we are here, nothing about tuna.
And then we have lack of definition and evidence of this ID.
The hypothesis is that the FT of the universe was caused by a Flying Spaghetti Monster,…………….what is improper about that hypothesis?
Can you figure it out?


Not for us to decide, We have explained how to demonstrate design, you need to explain how your idea fits this idea.

I am just asking what would convince you that intelligent design is the best explanation for THE FT of the universe-

Why are you evading the question ?

Burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence. To provide the test, and demonstrate how the evidence leads to your conclusion.,
You have done none of this, only asserted your conclusion.

Ok you won, I failed ………….now answer the question, what evidence would be good enough to justify the conclusion?

The hypothesis is that the FT of the universe was caused by a Flying Spaghetti Monster,…………….what is improper about that hypothesis?

I think the hypothesis is wrong, but the hypothesis’s itself is not improper.

 

[Pogo]

Sure the test would be simulations…………… we can use simulations on what would happen if say the mass of the electron where larger and see how the universe evolves……………that has been done and reported in the literature

I am just asking what would convince you that intelligent design is the best explanation for THE FT of the universe-

Why are you evading the question ?


Ok you won, I failed ………….now answer the question, what evidence would be good enough to justify the conclusion?


I think the hypothesis is wrong, but the hypothesis’s itself is not improper.

it is for you to do the work, not us.
Sure I think the FSM is absurd too, but realize that it is only different from yours in that it is a different set of letters with no useful definition,
Not the way to take over the world.

 

[leroy]

It is not for us to do this, The burden is on you and you haven't learned to crawl let alone walk.

The world is still out of your control.

It is interesting that you didn’t denied the facts nor the predictions…………….you just made an irrelevant comment

 

[Pogo]

It is interesting that you didn’t denied the facts nor the predictions…………….you just made an irrelevant comment

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Hitchen's razor
You are boringly clueless about your own position in any debate.

 

[leroy]

it is for you to do the work, not us.
Sure I think the FSM is absurd too, but realize that it is only different from yours in that it is a different set of letters with no useful definition,
Not the way to take over the world.

I am just asking a question.

What would convince you that the Ft of the universe is caused by design

Why is it so hard to answer the question?

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Hey you already won…………….alllllllllllllllllllllll my arguments fail……………………. So just answer the question………what would have you accepted as evidence?

Me failing and being wrong about everything, has nothing to to with the question……………so why wont you answer?

 

[Pogo]

I am just asking a question.

What would convince you that the Ft of the universe is caused by design

Why is it so hard to answer the question?

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Hey you already won…………….alllllllllllllllllllllll my arguments fail……………………. So just answer the question………what would have you accepted as evidence?

Me failing and being wrong about everything, has nothing to to with the question……………so why wont you answer?

A testable definition of design, a definition of the designer including capabilities. A hypothesis as to how this design if it is could be done and the actual evidence that agrees with the hypothesis, and then we do review and look for problems before we accept it.
This is how you try to take over the world.
NARF

 

[YoursTrue]

No, we can't teach remedia lreading comprehension here.

Frankly, my dear, you're not making any sense. Have a good day!

 

[leroy]

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Hitchen's razor

That is actually false……… you need evidence (or good reasons) to dismiss something.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh My God
What is causing these properties in the first place?

let me guess -- evolution?

 

[YoursTrue]

I would like to send out some kindness to everyone out there and the big hug. View attachment 91330 I know it's kind of silly.

Aw -- that is so kind of you. You are exceptional.

 

[YoursTrue]

I said nothing of divine guidance.

I'm talking about your lack of understanding of evolution, and science in general.

Surely I'm not going to contend with you and your knowledge, that's for sure. But I do, will, and so far can ask questions or wonder about your beliefs.

 

[leroy]

A testable definition of design, a definition of the designer including capabilities. A hypothesis as to how this design if it is could be done and the actual evidence that agrees with the hypothesis, and then we do review and look for problems before we accept it.
This is how you try to take over the world.
NARF

Ok, but what evidence would be that?

A testable definition of design, a definition of the designer

Design: refers to something that is or has been intentionally created by a thinking agent,
Designer: woudl be the thinking agent

hypothesis as to how this design

the how is irrelevant. you dont need to know HOW the pyramids where made in order to conclude design

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

I would like to send out some kindness to everyone out there and the big hug. View attachment 91330 I know it's kind of silly.

Doy El Primer Paso

 

[YoursTrue]

It is not for us to do this, The burden is on you and you haven't learned to crawl let alone walk.

The world is still out of your control.

That in itself should show you something about what you cannot see, but you can see a very sad world, in my opinion. Some would offer hope by means of evolution or natural improvement. Again, according to the Doomsday Clock, not a real good proposition. According to scientists, the human race is closer than ever to destruction. What does this have to do with the theory of evolution? Well, looking at life according to the theory, evolution inherently prescribes death for every human. So parents have children, love them, only to see everything die, sometimes including their children, and go into sorrow and pay for funerals. Not to mention life popped up from a chaotic soup. That's not rational, as far as I am concerned. Maybe as far as you are concerned it is. Once again -- have a nice day as the Doomsday Clock keeps ticking.

 

[Dimi95]

let me guess -- evolution?

Yes , that is why our genes carry only the neccessary information to create another individual life form.

Evolution is all about what is neccessary.
That is why it is so reliable.

 

[Pogo]

That is actually false……… you need evidence (or good reasons) to dismiss something.

Why should we even consider it false in an evidence based debate such as done in science and loosely even in theological debaters.
Burden of proof is on the positor. you dismiss the FSM reasonably for lack of evidence.

Ok, but what evidence would be that?

Observations which are relevant to the hypothesis

Design: refers to something that is or has been intentionally created by a thinking agent,
Designer: woudl be the thinking agent

Yeah, so you have to constrain the designer so we can determine whether whatever is in it's capabili

the how is irrelevant. you dont need to know HOW the pyramids where made in order to conclude design

We see cut stone, not just stone and we see the quarries, men can cut stone and move it so it is consistent with design.

Mysterious ways is not a valid answer.

 

[Pogo]

Yes , that is why our genes carry only the neccessary information to create another individual life form.

Evolution is all about what is neccessary.
That is why it is so reliable.
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Niggle, there is a lot of leftovers and miscellany in there, see the onion paradox.

 

[walt]

Doy El Primer Paso

Nice video with a lot of people sharing kindness , I wish I could understand the language.

 

[McBell]

Niggle, there is a lot of leftovers and miscellany in there, see the onion paradox.

Oh dear lord almighty, DO NOT BRING UP ANOTHER PARADOX!!!

Good gad man, with all the problems with the other paradoxes, why would present another one?!
Next will be the C-value paradox...
The sky is falling
The sky is falling....