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Thanks. I wasn’t serious about the detail on this matter… in the UK we only know of him in his ventures in European territory.
Nicolas is a name of Greek origin which fits into a Byzantine era.
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Thanks. I wasn’t serious about the detail on this matter… in the UK we only know of him in his ventures in European territory.
Surely the argument is that there was no call for a celebration attached to the birth of Jesus.
As I pointed out in the O.P., Jesus only authorised the COMMEMORATION of his death.
The reason is that if is by his death that mankind is given SALVATION (a washing clean - a SALVE) from the sin of Adam … a sin that had condemned all mankind, EVEN THOSE who had not sinned according to the law!!!
Although I wouldn't rule out an adversarial approach, it still may only be coincidence.
I seriously don't understand the question. Why WOULDN"T Christian churches embrace the Feast of the Nativity? You seem to assume that Christian holy days should be limited to those that Jesus celebrated (Yom Kippur, Passover, Chanukah, etc.) or which he instituted (none). I don't know why you assume that. If the church wants to set aside one day a year to remember his birth, that seems perfectly sensible to me.So why are CHRISTIAN churches embracing Xmas when they know it is not a Jesus-sanctioned celebration? In fact, it is evident that no church calling itself ‘Christ-led’ should indulge in it.
Muslims who don’t believe in Jesus Christ celebrate it - Catholics and Protestants celebrate it….
Yet JW’s are criticised for not indulging in it!!!
No links? Are your sources even valid?Don't we normally start with the assumption that there should actually be evidence provided that it was based on that? Simply being at a roughly similar time of the year isn't exactly a strong case. Any day of the year would be at a roughly similar time to some other festival or holy day.
What evidence have you seen that, in your opinion, makes it a likely origin?
Other than there being no real evidence in favour of the argument, there are several reasons that make it highly implausible:
1. There are calendars with both celebrations marked on different days, so they continued to be celebrated along side each other for centuries after the dating of Xmas.
2. The dating of Xmas to the 25th significantly precedes Xmas being celebrated (maybe a century or so). The 'marketing ploy' assumption makes no sense in this context.
3. At the time it was dated to 25 Dec, Christians were still trying to distance themselves from pagans, even to the point of being killed for it. It thus is highly unlikely they were trying to appropriate pagan customs as a marketing ploy.
So, in a nutshell, its dating probably has nothing to do with wanting to hold a festival, happened at a time where Xtians were unlikely to want to steal from pagans, and when it was celebrated later, Saturnalia would still continue to be celebrated on a different day for a significant time.
No links? Are your sources even valid?
For quite a while Protestants would not celebrate that pagan holiday.So why are CHRISTIAN churches embracing Xmas when they know it is not a Jesus-sanctioned celebration? In fact, it is evident that no church calling itself ‘Christ-led’ should indulge in it.
Muslims who don’t believe in Jesus Christ celebrate it - Catholics and Protestants celebrate it….
Yet JW’s are criticised for not indulging in it!!!
For quite a while Protestants would not celebrate that pagan holiday.
Well, you can see what it has come to.I seriously don't understand the question. Why WOULDN"T Christian churches embrace the Feast of the Nativity? You seem to assume that Christian holy days should be limited to those that Jesus celebrated (Yom Kippur, Passover, Chanukah, etc.) or which he instituted (none). I don't know why you assume that. If the church wants to set aside one day a year to remember his birth, that seems perfectly sensible to me.
It makes sense for Muslims to celebrate Christmas too. Why wouldn't they?
I may not personally celebrate Christmas, but I think it seems like a wonderful holiday. It focuses on family and the happiness of children. I think people tend to be kinder during that season. Despite the obvious commercialization, I would never say it has fallen into debauchery.Well, you can see what it has come to.
If it really were an institution that God, via Jesus, sanctions, then it would not have fallen to selfish debauchery like it has now (or… at least more people would realise it’s current in-sanctity!)
If you were a “true” Christian then you should.I may not personally celebrate Christmas, but I think it seems like a wonderful holiday. It focuses on family and the happiness of children. I think people tend to be kinder during that season. Despite the obvious commercialization, I would never say it has fallen into debauchery.
Are you unaware that I'm Jewish?If you were a “true” Christian then you should.
Since Jesus Christ, at no time in his life, advocated the celebration of his birth, and only commanded remembrance of his death and resurrection, who, when, and why do we do so today?
I was unaware… but now am aware!!Are you unaware that I'm Jewish?
I have a pretty good mind, and I see no reason for concern. That's probably why the overwhelming majority of Christians celebrate Christmas.I was unaware… but now am aware!!
Still: IF you WERE a Christian (and a TRUE CHRISTIAN at that) then you would be concerned.
And also why the overwhelming number of ‘Christians’ are Trinitarian, two.!!I have a pretty good mind, and I see no reason for concern. That's probably why the overwhelming majority of Christians celebrate Christmas.
Doubtful though. To many coincides, with other celebrations too.
For quite a while Protestants would not celebrate that pagan holiday.
Well, you can see what it has come to.
If it really were an institution that God, via Jesus, sanctions, then it would not have fallen to selfish debauchery like it has now (or… at least more people would realise it’s current in-sanctity!)