Would Germany and Japan have won WW2 if the USA stayed out of the war?

[Revoltingest]

The Axis Powers would've won because Japan would've seen no resistance
in the Pacific theater, & Germany wouldn't have had to fight on 2 fronts.
Americastan would've noticed their ambitions though, & built up a strong
military as a deterrent to being next on the menu.
(Rumor has it that Hitler fancied poutine.)

 

[Jumi]

How? Japan was in an even worse situation than the Reich.

This is just speculation, but without the US involvement, I don't think they would have collapsed on their own.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The war would have gone on for far longer but Germany would eventually have lost, first on the Russian front. And later by trying to continue fighting on two fronts. They were losing the air war to the British air force, theirs was reducing both in planes and pilots while the British was increasing. Russias ground forces would have eventually ground them down by attrition.

However the Germans and Japanese did attack American shipping, and forced them into the war.
America never did answer Europes call for help.
They came in, when the only option for their fighting Germany, was to join the fight in Europe. Up to that time they had supplied arms to the Uk at commercial rates. (Even the "liberty ships" had to be paid for before delivery)
At the start of the war the Usa had a fairly equal sympathy for Germany and the rest of Europe.

 

[Flankerl]

Never read it

Spoiler: The Germans won and there is now a cold war between Germany and the USA.

 

[Wirey]

No. Todt informed Hitler once the drive on Moscow failed that Germany's economy was no longer capable of winning. We would have wound up with a Soviet dominated Europe.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The war would have gone on for far longer but Germany would eventually have lost, first on the Russian front. And later by trying to continue fighting on two fronts. They were losing the air war to the British air force, theirs was reducing both in planes and pilots while the British was increasing. Russias ground forces would have eventually ground them down by attrition.

However the Germans and Japanese did attack American shipping, and forced them into the war.
America never did answer Europes call for help.
They came in, when the only option for their fighting Germany, was to join the fight in Europe. Up to that time they had supplied arms to the Uk at commercial rates. (Even the "liberty ships" had to be paid for before delivery)
At the start of the war the Usa had a fairly equal sympathy for Germany and the rest of Europe.

It's tough call. Hitler already produced the first working jet fighters halfway into the war from what I understand. Germany called it the Messerschmitt Me 262.

We are Damm lucky he didn't go into full scale production. That and Tiger tanks. I shudder the outcome.


Addum:

RARE VIDEO- Messerschmitt Me-262 flying at Wings …:

 

[Lucida Sidera]

Once the Soviets actually took Berlin, it's difficult to think they would.

 

[Petch41]

It's tough call. Hitler already produced the first working jet fighters halfway into the war from what I understand. Germany called it the Messerschmitt Me 262.

We are Damm lucky he didn't go into full scale production. That and Tiger tanks. I shudder the outcome.

Officially the first squadron of ME262s were formed AFTER 616Sqn RAF formed with Gloster Meteors although the ME262 made it's operational debut 2 days before the British jet. The Meteor was slower but much more reliable and was the only Allied jet fighter of WWII. Personally I think Germany lost the war when they opened up the second front against the Soviets. The British had already stopped any invasion plans and also stopped them in North Africa. The war would have lasted a lot longer without American troops but I don't think it was a decisive factor.

 

[Mister Emu]

It depends on what you mean by American involvement.

If you mean, had America not deployed ground troops, then there was still no way for the Axis to win.

If you mean, had America not ever supplied the Allied forces through programs such as Lend-Lease, then it could very well be that the Axis powers would win.

Personally I think Germany lost the war when they opened up the second front against the Soviets.

Germany didn't have a choice on whether to enter war with Russia. If they had not attacked when they did, Russia was going to attack them.

 

[Petch41]

It depends on what you mean by American involvement.

If you mean, had America not deployed ground troops, then there was still no way for the Axis to win.

If you mean, had America not ever supplied the Allied forces through programs such as Lend-Lease, then it could very well be that the Axis powers would win.


Germany didn't have a choice on whether to enter war with Russia. If they had not attacked when they did, Russia was going to attack them.

Supplies of food, armaments and raw materials were essential to the British war effort however they were paid for at market rate (the British Government only finished paying back the bill in the early 2000s) so although allowing the British favourable credit I can't really class that as the USA joining the war. The British were also receiving supplies from other sources.

As for the German invasion of the USSR, I think that had more to do with the German need for the oilfields of the Ukraine than anything else.

 

[Mister Emu]

Supplies of food, armaments and raw materials were essential to the British war effort however they were paid for at market rate (the British Government only finished paying back the bill in the early 2000s) so although allowing the British favourable credit I can't really class that as the USA joining the war. The British were also receiving supplies from other sources.

Not just Britain, but the U.S. supplied much of the logistical needs of the Russians on the Eastern Front, and favorable credit is help as the poll asked.

As for the German invasion of the USSR, I think that had more to do with the German need for the oilfields of the Ukraine than anything else.

They also had intelligence that supported their suspicions that Stalin planned to invade Germany.

 

[Confucian Mormon Buddhist]

Germany would have won, Japan may or may not have.

Russia was kept alive by American lend-lease. If "the USA staying out of war" means no lend-lease, Russia would have been ****ed and the rest of Europe with it.

Japan was in a very crappy position resource-wise. There's a great chance they would have overextended themselves on China and India and ended up failing, or only securing part of Asia.

If Germany won, they'd have likely heavily depopulated and colonized the Slavic world until Hitler's death, upon which the system would either explode spectacularly or stabilize into a thriving long-term empire. Britain would remain independent, since Hitler didn't really want a war with them and didn't have a navy capable of pursuing an invasion anyways.

Communism is discredited and Fascism becomes a world ideology (even in the US, in my opinion) in such a scenario.

EDIT: The post-war collapse would be due to a nutjob replacing Hitler on the terrible administration of the Nazis finally leading to something like an economic disaster, while the thriving empire would be due to a moderate reforming the system and using raubwirtschaft money to keep the economy chugging until it can stand on its own two feet. Now, Franco was never in charge of an extremist state, but the reason I think Nazi Germany could possibly be reformed is that we have a practical example of that in the form of Francoist Spain (went from Falangist to traditionalist and then capitalist).

 

[Petch41]

Germany would have won, Japan may or may not have.

Russia was kept alive by American lend-lease. If "the USA staying out of war" means no lend-lease, Russia would have been ****ed and the rest of Europe with it.

Japan was in a very crappy position resource-wise. There's a great chance they would have overextended themselves on China and India and ended up failing, or only securing part of Asia.

If Germany won, they'd have likely heavily depopulated and colonized the Slavic world until Hitler's death, upon which the system would either explode spectacularly or stabilize into a thriving long-term empire. Britain would remain independent, since Hitler didn't really want a war with them and didn't have a navy capable of pursuing an invasion anyways.

Communism is discredited and Fascism becomes a world ideology (even in the US, in my opinion) in such a scenario.

Lend-lease wasn't enacted until May 1941. The British had already stopped the German invasion plans for Britain by then. In the case of the Soviets most of the aid was basically used to slow the Germans down while they relocated their industry to the other side of the Urals out of range of German bombing raids. Besides the question was the USA "joining" the war, admittedly the USA had a hard time maintaining it's claim of neutrality once lend-lease was enacted but that is not joining a war.

 

[Confucian Mormon Buddhist]

Lend-lease wasn't enacted until May 1941. The British had already stopped the German invasion plans for Britain by then. In the case of the Soviets most of the aid was basically used to slow the Germans down while they relocated their industry to the other side of the Urals out of range of German bombing raids. Besides the question was the USA "joining" the war, admittedly the USA had a hard time maintaining it's claim of neutrality once lend-lease was enacted but that is not joining a war.

If we're saying that lend-lease is still allowed in this scenario, then I think Germany can win the war, but I really don't enough then to say if it's likely or not.

 

[Petch41]

If we're saying that lend-lease is still allowed in this scenario, then I think Germany can win the war, but I really don't enough then to say if it's likely or not.

I would still say Germany would lose. As I said the Germans had already bitten off more than they could chew by invading the USSR. They had been stopped from taking Britain, they failed to take Tobruk and so couldn't carry on beyond Egypt. The war was stabilising and that was definitely not in Germany's favour. Without American influence I think the war would have lasted many, many more years but I firmly believe that a resource starved Germany would have lost in the end.

 

[garden47]

1. If the Japanese had attacked the USSR, instead of America, Russia would have been forced to fight a 2 front war and the millions of troops that were brought in to protect Moscow and later Stalingrad would not have been available. The Germans were overextended on the Eastern Front but if they had taken Moscow, it would have added years to the war.

2. The Allies would not have been able to conduct the D-day landings in 1944 without American support. In addition to creating the Western Front to defeat the Germans, placing Allied troops in Western Europe was necessary to prevent the Russians from occupying all of Europe!

3. The failure of the Germans to develop a heavy bomber to match the B-17 and Lancaster was a strategic error, They could have bombed the Russian factories that had been re-established 100's of miles east of Moscow.

 

[England my lionheart]

I think the USA sorta saved the day for the Allies in World War 2. What do you think? Could Germany and Japan have defeated their enemies had the United States stayed out of the war entirely, and Japan never attacked Pearl Harbor?

I think Germany had already lost the war by the time America joined in.

 

[Petch41]

1. If the Japanese had attacked the USSR, instead of America, Russia would have been forced to fight a 2 front war and the millions of troops that were brought in to protect Moscow and later Stalingrad would not have been available. The Germans were overextended on the Eastern Front but if they had taken Moscow, it would have added years to the war.

2. The Allies would not have been able to conduct the D-day landings in 1944 without American support. In addition to creating the Western Front to defeat the Germans, placing Allied troops in Western Europe was necessary to prevent the Russians from occupying all of Europe!

3. The failure of the Germans to develop a heavy bomber to match the B-17 and Lancaster was a strategic error, They could have bombed the Russian factories that had been re-established 100's of miles east of Moscow.

1. The question was about the USA joining the war not what would happen if Japan had attacked the USSR

2. Cannot fully agree with this. Yes, the allies could not have mounted the D-Day landings in 1944 without American support but the Germans would still have had to garrison the West coast of Europe to guard against a seaborne invasion and pulling men off this to counter the Soviets in the East would have opened up opportunities for invasion at a later date.

3. I agree with this however the lack of a heavy bomber comes out of the same pre-war restrictions that led to the "Pocket Battleships". By the time the Germans were free to develop these they no longer had the industrial reserve to build them in the required numbers or to build the infrastructure to use them effectively.

 

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

As already pointed out the war would have gone on far longer, but it is possible the Allies could have still won. The contribution of the Russians is often overlooked, but as Churchill said they "ripped the filthy guts out of the Nazis" at enormous cost in lives. The Germans had to pour so much resources into the Eastern front, it doubtless effected their war effort elsewhere.
I think the Americans really came into their own against the Japanese, Britain could certainly not have stopped them without their contribution. Pretty sure Japanese territory would be far more extensive than it is without the Americans.

 

[garden47]

Would Germany and Japan have won WW2 if the USA stayed out of the war?

Most of the fighting in WW2 occurred along the Eastern Front, where despite horrendous casualties, the Soviets continued to send in new armies to be sacrificed to the German "blitzkrieg."

At the beginning of the war, the Russian military was averaging 45,000 casualties a day (killed, wounded, taken prisoner) - something neither the Germans high command nor the Allies thought that any nation could absorb.

By the time the Allies landed at Normandy in 1944, much of the German military had already been destroyed and the eventual fate of the Third Reich's decided!