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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Darkforbid, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Darkforbid

    Darkforbid Well-Known Member

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    What factors differentiate theistic and atheistic worldviews?

    What factors differentiate perspective within these worldviews?

    This can include natural philosophy, fundamental, existential, and normative postulates, themes, values, emotions, and ethics.

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  2. epronovost

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    Considering the variety of theism and atheist beliefs it's hard to tell. The only difference between the two that is certain is the belief in the existence of a deity vs that lack of belief. What can give rise to such a difference can be staggering in diversity, but I would say the one of the main and almost ''omnipresent'' driver would be reification. Theist are more likely to make reification than atheists.
     
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    I'd suspect atheism has less certainty about what the future holds.
    No one at the helm directing humanity towards a "golden" future. No planned destiny. Requires one to become more comfortable with the idea of uncertainty.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    While I basically agree with your post, even this isn't a clear bright line. The concept of deity is so broad and vague.
    So while the "belief in the existence of a deity" is usually true, the overwhelming majority even, it isn't always. And, oftentimes, non-theists believe in supernatural things, for which the evidence is comparable to that for deities.

    There just aren't any clear bright lines to be found when the subject is human beliefs.
    Tom
     
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    I think it gets to core values. Atheists tend to place a high value on things like logic, the joy of discovery, and evidence.

    While some theists value those things as well, they are willing to let faith supersede those more scientific values.
     
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  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Only one, god (or gods)

    All the rest is a derivation of that
     
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    Valjean Veteran Member
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    Magical thinking.
    Faulty or absent investigational methodology.
    Lack of critical analysis.
    Faulty logic.
    Ignorance of relevant facts.
     
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    While that holds true for almost all theists, the absence of those is not guaranteed in atheists.
     
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    That makes for a real big difference.
     
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    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    I think there is no single criterion that can differentiate between theists and atheists, not even a god belief as god is so ill defined.
    Theists and atheists have different tendencies in their worldview and with a list of criteria one could possibly reach a high value of confidence in distinguishing the two, but no certainty.
     
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  11. Audie

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    There is no bright line distinction between liberal and conservative,
    between night and day.
    Not even between large and small.

    And with that bit of wisdom it is off to dreamtime, where
    anyone near the S China Sea should be two hours ago.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    What factors differentiate theistic and atheistic worldviews?

    Atheism and theism in of themselves are not worldviews. And while any number of ill-conceived and misguided assumptions may be made about both groups - some of which we've unfortunately seen in this thread already - these two terms are meaningless without articulating what the god-concept of reference is. On the whole, the two terms are just not that useful. It is an attempt to smash a complex spectrum of human thought into an overly-simplistic binary.
     
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  14. Darkforbid

    Darkforbid Well-Known Member

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    The OP isn't about any one faith
     
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    I'm religious pacifist, and I defend myself with inner peace without violence. This is what I call a miracle.
     
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    I think the main difference is one of empowerment. I think most theists view empowerment as something that originates externally, while most atheists feel self-empowered.
     
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    If you take an atheist and a theist from the same cultural environment (for example Western Europe), then, on average, their worldviews are probably going to be more similar to each other than the worldviews of 2 theists from different cultural environments (for example Western Europe and North Africa).
     
  18. Darkforbid

    Darkforbid Well-Known Member

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    No one was saying isolated -ism's could have a independ worldview. I also very surprised you don't think theist doesn't cover all god-concept of reference.

    'On the whole, the two terms are just not that useful.' Quintessence

    Then why did you just bring the terms Atheism and theism two group nouns into the discussion instead of sticking with the ones I used theistic and atheistic
     
  19. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    But it is about one not faith.

    The only difference is the atheist does not believe in a god or gods. Everything else is fluff.
     
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  20. Darkforbid

    Darkforbid Well-Known Member

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    Wow, no bright line distinction between

    liberal and conservative

    night and day

    large and small

    I'd anwer but answering that rubbish in the way it should be and it would be deleted
     
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