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Featured Why the theory of evolution is so important

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Wild Fox, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. MJFlores

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    Must be a red herring that swam by. I don't know.
     
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    Had to answer the call of nature.

    For his chosen people, God causes every single thing - if he willed it.
    For the rest of the world, no - God looks the other way and let them be.

    I am certain there is one God as mentioned and taught by Christ as written in the Bible.
     
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    We're talking about science and objective evidence here on this thread, so what objectively-derived scientific evidence can you put forth that there is only one God? Please do not throw the question back at me as I'm asking you. After you answer, I can then give you my take if you wish.
     
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    This tread is Evolution vs Creationism with a topic mentioned seen on the top page.
    Why the theory of evolution is so important
    Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Wild Fox, Apr 1, 2019.


    I am in the position of Creationism
    What objectively-derived scientific evidence can you put forth that there is only one God?
    My answer: I am not a scientist so I cannot provide such evidence.
    As a human being, I would derive my knowledge about God from what I see in His works
    From what I read in His words
    From this God given common sense which is greater than any objectively-derived scientific evidence
    God has to be one
    There is only one truth among many lies
    And there cannot be many truths and one lie
    Each of us have one father, not many fathers
    Each of us have one mother, not many mothers
    Tracing the human lineage back in time - we will end with one source
    And that one is God
     
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    That's fine as far as the issue of religious faith goes, but it's not sufficient for science, and the issue of evolution deals with science.
    What is "common sense" to one person may be delusion to another. I do believe in the power of the Holy Spirit, but I also believe in the power of objective inquiry, so I prefer to use both.

    How does God "has to be one"? If one is using "common sense", I would suggest that it is virtually impossible to eliminate polytheism from the realm of possibility. OTOH, one can indeed do as such with their faith, and that's quite acceptable to me on that basis.
     
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    How many fathers do you have?
    I have one papa.
    How many mothers do you have?
    I have one mama

    One papa and one mama = One parent.
    If I am going to trace all papas and all mamas,
    I would arrive at one source and that would be God

    I did not use faith
    However if I would say there was LUCA
    and LUCA was even lower than the bacteria
    Last universal common ancestor - Wikipedia

    [​IMG]

    Then I would require great faith and probably a song to go with that faith

     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    New math?
     
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    Looks like two parents to me.
     
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    Typo error
    Sorry for that
     
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    That error sort of destroys the argument, doesn't it?
     
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    Not really
    It would if it is material to the whole.
    Grammatical errors aren't material
    as compared to factual errors
    Example:

     
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    Well, if you decide in advance that "NO evidence" will stand against religious claims that are dogmatically believed a priori, then obviously no amount of evidence will ever suffice.

    Discussion is therefor pointless.
     
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    Well, your claim was that there had to be only *one* initial source. Your very example shows that having *two* causes is a possibility.

    And, in fact, the vast majority of events do, in fact, have more than one cause, so we actually expect a multiplication of causes as we go back in time, not s decrease in the number. Now, there is some reduction from exponential expansion in the number of causes because there are times when more than one event has a common ancestral cause.But there is no good reason to think the number of causes is ever down to one.
     
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    Give me your BEST piece of evidence.

    That's not evidence in support of the assertion above. At best, it's just an observation.
    Like "no animal on earth can run as fast as a cheetah".


    Humans are apes.
    It's impossible to come up with a definition of "ape", that includes all apes yet excludes humans.
    And the same is true for "mammal" and "tetrapod" and "vertebrate" and....

    Because humans are all of those things.

    No, that's your a priori dogmatic religious belief.

    Then it's not, because it doesn't.

    I just made a hilarious observation.
    First you say that God's Truth MUST agree in every way with science.
    In the next breath, you reject evolution theory (science) because it doesn't agree with your version of God's Truth.


    Off course, if you reject all science as being "not science" that doesn't agree with your religious beliefs because it doesn't agree with your religious beliefs, then sure, "science" is in agreement with your religious beliefs. :rolleyes:


    Which is what evolution is. However you wish to define "kind" (genus, order, family, take your pick), creatures always stay "within their kind".

    Eukaryotes produce eukaryotes
    Mammals produce mammals, which are eukaryotes.
    Felines produce felines, which are mammals.
    Lions produce lions, which are felines.

    Dogs don't evolve into cats.
    They evolve into sub-species of dog, which are dogs.

    Just like primates evolve into sub-species of primates. One of which are humans.

    Well, thank goodness we have theologians like yourself who feel informed enough to tell biologists that they don't understand biology. :rolleyes:
     
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    I suppose that if you accept that three is like one, everything goes.

    Ciao

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