When is enough?:help:
It is never enough....
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When is enough?:help:
It is never enough....
That's why Peter Jennings used my Essays for his 'Search for the Historical Jesus' program-because I'm an idiot who knows nothing.
That's why Peter Jennings used my Essays for his 'Search for the Historical Jesus' program-because I'm an idiot who knows nothing.
That's why Peter Jennings used my Essays for his 'Search for the Historical Jesus' program-because I'm an idiot who knows nothing.
Actually you admitted you didn't when you asked me which figures were used for his image.
Not insulting you but this is everyone's problem when they make claims on the gospels then when you test them about facts the oral traditions
Yeah the finding of over 50,000 errors/contradictions/ and fallacious accounts.
That is an ignorant statement....ignorant of the ways authorities use propaganda that you claimed you fully understood.
Needing a new name and new dating is all the evidence one needs.
We also know the dating of Rabbis accurately kept and major events such as the Pharisee revolt.
Did Lysanias and King Herod exist in the time of Jesus as recorded in the NT?
[/FONT][FONT="]Only christ figure living in the era of Lysanias is Yehuda of Galilee who died in 6BC, he lived in the Era of Lysanius and King Herod who died in 4BC which is why they had to change the birthdate of the character back to 6BC to fit their account of Herod. However this still failed to fit the time period of Lysanias who died in 36BC and never could be in the accounts of Jesus.[/FONT]
Jesus was supposed to have been baptized by John soon after John had started baptizing and preaching in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberias, i.e. 28-29 C.E., when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judaea i.e. 26-36 C.E. According to the New Testament, this also happened when Lysanias was tetrarch of Abilene and Annas and Caiaphas were high priests. But Lysanias ruled Abilene from c. 40 B.C.E until he was executed in 36 B.C.E by Mark Antony, about 60 years before the date for Tiberias and about 30 years before the supposed birth of Jesus!
Meaning Lysanias dates the Christ in the time of Yehuda of Galilee and King Herod who died in 4 BC.
but no other christ figure was from that area
The NT even collaborates the account of being slew(stoned) and hanged on a tree.
-Acts 5:30 Acts 10:39 Acts 13:29 1 Peter 2:24
Under Rabbinic Law
Not only is Jesus formed from at least 3 characters but so to is Paul who is taken from Saul
You blew all credibility when you said:
>>>by interacting with quite limited sources
Anyone and everyone can see I'm the one with resources ....
Part 2:
University of Sheffield has an Essay on this discovery
January 1922 edition of "Quest" which describes tablets belonging to the cuneiform documents which were discovered by German excavators in 1903 and 1904 at Kalah Shargat, the site of the ancient Assur formed in the 9th century BC or even earlier. There are however, copies of still earlier Babylonian tablets, which also contain astounding facts, which would be perturbing to most Christians.
It is not (only) the similarity between the two stories of Jesus and Baal/Bel that should excite their astonishment: The two being one and the same *
So no, you haven't actually read the primary source.
Wrong:
"As we know them, the Mithraic mysteries are a Roman phenomenon that flourished in the Roman Empire from the second century C.E. on." p. 199.
Meyer, M.W. ed. (1987). The Ancient Mysteries. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.
"The Roman cult of Mithras, documented from the end of the first century CE, spread widely throughout the Roman empire over the next three hundred years." p. 188.
Martin, L. H. (2005). Performativity, Narrativity, and Cognition: Demythologizing the Roman Cult of Mithras. In Braun, Willi (Ed). Rhetorics and Realities In Early Christianities. Waterloo: Wilfrid Laurier University Press, pp. 187-217.
"A second impouls behind the growth of pagan monotheism was the influence of Christianity itself. Jan Bremmer has noted how, from the second century onwards, apparently new mystery religions appeared, devoted to gods who die and resurrect, such as Atis, or act as personal saviors, such as Mithras." p. 89
Hutton, R. (2003). Witches, Druids, and King Author. London: Hambledon and London.
"Archaeologically, the cult of Mithras first appears in the Roman world in the Flavian-Trajanic period [well after Jesus], when traces of it (inscriptions, mithraea) are suddenly found at several widely separated sites, in Rome, Germania Superior, Raetia/Noricum, Moesia Inferior, Judea. The contexts are those we might expect: the military, the provincial toll system, harbor towns; the big surprise is Alcimus at Rome, the rich slave-bailiff of Tiberius Claudius Livianus, praetorian prefect from ad 102 (ILS 4199). No less striking is the fact that the first clear literary reference dates from the same period: the poet Statius refers to Mithras, identified with solar Apollo, twisting the recalcitrant horns in a Persian cave, Persaei sub rupibus antri/indignata sequi torquentem cornua Mithram (Thebaid 719f.), a passage probably written in the mid-80s. p 395."
Gordon, Richard. (2007) Institutionalized Religious Options. In Rüpke, Jörg. (ed). Companion to Roman Religion. Oxford: Blackwell Publishing, pp. 392-405.
I could go on and on.
No even in Luke it admits asking to be placed in the OT to make it look like they fit it so they fully plagiarized and admitted they were gonna plagiarize.
The above sentence isn't very coherent, so it is difficult to respond to.
Nope, you are wrong and you are giving false info about dating of the talmud
Then cite some sources on when the talmud was finally comitted to writing.
>>>First, the reference to being "handed on a tree" is a euphemism for crucifixion.
No it isn't, the hanging was the type of punishment they used after stoning.
Stop rewriting history.
Where is the evidence for this? You have already shown that your reading of "stoned" is completely wrong on the basis of the Greek text. Now, are you really going to argue that Luke/Acts, which states that Jesus was crucified, also contends he was hanged and not crucified?
I showed above the verses in the NT which admit this
There is nothing about being stoned. Moreover, your analysis of "having been hanged on wood/tree" as indicating something other than crucifixion is nonsensical, as the same source clearly says that Jesus was crucified, which IS being hanged on wood.
and the fisherman in Capernaum is found in:
Of course Jesus interacted with fisherman. I asked where the NT said he WAS a fisherman, which you claimed. None of your citations show this. As for living in Capernaum, well, he moved. How is that a contradiction?
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"Since the nineties, excavations less than half a mile from the center of first-century Nazareth reveal some challenging structures. A winepress has been exposed, and beautifully constructed stone-wall terraces are now visible. Most importantly, three circular stone towers only about fifty feet apart now rise majestically above the rocky terrain. These cannot be fortifications; they seem related to a vineyard. pg. 38
Charlesworth, J. H. (2006). Jesus Research and Archaeology: A New Perspective. in Jesus and Archaeology. Charlesworth, J. H. (ed). Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, pp. 11-63.
See also e.g. see e.g. Laughlin, John. (2005) Fifty Major Cities of the Bible. London: Routledge.
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That's why Peter Jennings used my Essays for his 'Search for the Historical Jesus' program-because I'm an idiot who knows nothing.
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True. It's tough to care about characters written of within an allegorical fiction.I doubt that many who makes arguments about douting Jesus' existence really care whether he did or not. I can understand the motivation to try to make people question their standards of evidence, but it's fundamentally irrelevant, as well as fruitless.
You presume wrong. If you are going to claim that I'm ignorant of the Jesus myth, show me why. Do not simply state that I'm ignorant. By simply stating what you did in your post, all you do is supply a logical fallacy.You do not understand the idea of the Jesus myth. Not even remotely. You've done no research whatsoever which is evident by what you have just posted.
Really? I never said that Jesus would not have resembled what was in the Bible. I stated that the Bible is not a literal account of Jesus's life, and that is (as you're showing) where a large problem occurs.This post is illogical, as you are stating that a historical Jesus existed that does NOT match the one talked about in the bible, which IS STATING that a man resembling the biblical Jesus never existed. Thanks for proving my point.
I think I can answer this one. I was looking at IfYouDon'tKnowMeByNow was saying and it reminded me of a document I printed off around 5-10 years ago when I was really considering the Jesus myth position.1. Did you get this all from one website, or more than one?
I think I can answer this one. I was looking at IfYouDon'tKnowMeByNow was saying and it reminded me of a document I printed off around 5-10 years ago when I was really considering the Jesus myth position.
The document is entitled Did Jesus Live 100 B.C. and is by G.R.S. Mead, having been written in 1903. I just did a quick search, and the site I printed the article off no longer has it, but I found it on another site Did Jesus Live 100 B.C.? by G. R. S. Mead.
The resemblance is quite strong.
A good article, I have seen and posted a number of reasons included in this article a number of times as reasons against the existence of a historical Jesus, as always poo-poohed by the "Jesus does exist" apologists mainly on the basis of "their experts are better than ours" and not on the arguments themselves. Clearly, the evidence for the existence of a real historical Jesus is meager to non-existent.
Wrong: first a predating Jesus cross with sickly man on it the kind the pope carries was found, it was a mithraic cross found I believe in Ireland.
Biblical source: Mithras was worshipped as "the Mediator", he is the pagan Lord of the covenant, "baal-berith" in Judges 8:33 33
Historical sources on Mithraism and Mithraic text itself as a source:
1. Strabo (ca.63bce-24ce) Greek geographer
"They [The Persians] honor also the Sun, whom they call Mithras"
- From "Geography", XV, 3, written around 20bce. His book was an early "travel guide" to the then-known world, and was one of the first western references to the Mithrasic Faith.
2. Plutarch (ca.46ce-120ce) Greco-Roman historian and biographer
"They themselves offered strange sacrifices upon Mount Olympus, and performed certain secret rites or religious mysteries, among which those of Mithras have been preserved to our own time, having received their previous insitution from them."
- from "The Life Of Pompey", chapter 24. Pompey was a Roman general who defeated the nation of Cilicia, where Mithras had been worshipped. The "Mount Olympus" doesn't refer to the mythical dwelling of the Greek gods, but can refer to any holy mountain, probably in Cilicia itself.
3. Lucius Agrius (ca.107bce-41bce) Roman soldier and Mithrasic High Priest (ca.67bce- 41bce)
"Among these soldiers was a strong and mighty warrior, whose personality drew many of the Cilicians to him. By enquiry, I discovered that he was a holy man, and was therefore sought after as a man of wisdom. He led the Cilicians in Prayer at dawn, and again at mid-day and at dusk, never failing to praise his God, Whom he called Mithras."
- from "The Conversion of Lucius Agrius", paragraph 2, written ca.67bce. Lucius Agrius was a soldier in Pompey's army and became the first Roman to serve Mithras, converted by Cilician immigrants to Italy after their defeat by Pompey's army. Lucius Agrius served as the first Roman High Priest, and his book is included in the Mithrasic Canon of Scripture.
4. Marcellinus (ca.95bce-33bce) Roman soldier and Mithrasic High Priest (41bce-33bce)
"...and the soldiers of the Faith vow to be chaste for months at a time, in dedication to the Lord. And when we marry, we marry women of pure heart, quiet disposition, and clean spirit, for women of ill repute are despised by the men of the Mysteries."
-from "The Fragment of the Letter of Marcellinus", paragraph 1, written between 41bce and 33bce. This, too, is included in the Mithrasic Canon of Scripture. Only this and three other paragraphs of this letter survive.
5. Statius (ca.45-96ce) Historian and writer
"These rites were first observed by the Persians from whom the Phrygians received them, and from the Phrygians, the Romans."
- from "The Thebans", 717.
The "Phrygians" lived in Asia minor, in the southern portion of the present-day nation of Turkey.
Most Mithrasists of the the early first century, bce lived in the nearby region of Cilicia, but some also lived in Phrygia, and Mithras is always shown wearing a hat from this region.
in 67 B.C. a large band of pirates based in Cilicia (a province on the southeastern coast of Asia Minor) were practicing "secret rites" of Mithras.
Stop rewriting history.