Your most recent response seems like deflection.
I think your response can qualify for that statement since I have said so much more that just those versus.
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Your most recent response seems like deflection.
Even though the Word was God; The Word is not or has not been God at any time. God is who the word was with and declared. The word is and has been the Son of God who declared God. John saw the Son of God not God himself according to John Chapter 1.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Joh 8:40 KJV But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:42 KJV Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:47 KJV He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Joh 8:54 KJV Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 KJV Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Isaiah 9:6 ...unto us a son is given. His name will be called Mighty God, Everlasting Father ...
John 14:8 show us the Father ...
John 14:9 Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Only for the Jesuses of Paul and the author of John. The Jesus of Mark didn't become divine until his adoption by God following his baptism; and the Jesuses of Matthew and Luke didn't pre-exist the divine insemination of Mary.As I mentioned before....
There is that which refers to The Word which was before He was manifested in the flesh.
And that's the gospel of Mark, which the authors of the other gospels copy, alter, add to and substract from as individually pleases them.There is that which refers to Jesus while he was man on the earth
Ah, the resurrection ... one can no doubt believe in the resurrection as an act of faith, but the purported evidence for it is of such low quality that it's not possible to consider it something that occurred in history ─ any more than one would think the many many other resurrection stories of the ancient world were credible.There is that which refers to a risen King and Lord where the glory that He had as God was given back to Him.
So what year did the Trinity come into existence, do you say?So... to quote 17 or more about Jesus while he was man on the earth would be like quoting me as a child and say "You were never a father or a grown man."
Since it's clearly a gnostic perspective, why would I not?John 8:58 is a direct reference that Jesus was God... "Before Abraham was, I AM" - signifying that He was God thus the response of the people was "59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
Whether you want to apply that to gnosticism, is your prerogative.
First, being 100% you is different from being 100% OF you ─ a cup of water is 100% H2O (let's say), but it's not 100% of all the H2O. But each of Father, Jesus and Ghost, according to the Trinity doctrine, is 100% OF God. Hence the "mystery in the strict sense" / incoherence.I am three persons... spirit, soul and body yet one substance man. Each part of me is 100% me yet quite distinct.
That's a Christian view. No surprise if the Jewish authorities thought differently, though. The Christian allegation still occasionally met, that the Jews recognized Jesus as the messiah but perfidiously and selfishly rejected him, is untenable.I disagree as would the Jewish writers of the NT who, IMV, would have a good understanding of the qualification. It is God that anoints and calls. It was the Father that called and the Holy Spirit that anointed Jesus.
(Ouch!)True!
But how are we to define 'truth' / 'veracity' when we look at what's written?First and foremost, it is the veracity of the what is written.
That is, the statement "At basketball, X is a good three-point shooter" conforms with reality in the case of this particular X. No argument so far.Think of it this way:
When I was younger and played basketball, someone would shoot from the three point line a swish it and say "I'm good!". We would say "That was luck" and throw it back to him. When he did again we would say "Even a broken clock is right two times a day". When he sunk the third, we stopped talking. His statement had veracity.
What quality does it have that makes it true? In my book, it can't be true if it doesn't accurately reflect objective reality. You appear instead to be making an argument from authority when an argument from reality should be available.Looking at was is written has veracity.
In that case there are two or more Judeans who'll be celebrating their two thousand and somethingth birthdays this year, waiting for the Son of Man to establish the Kingdom. Do you have an address for them?Looking at the prediction of Jesus Christ has veracity.
"Yet, the Bible, written over 2,000 years ago is devoid of scientific error."
Yes, three things (3) are mentioned but only two (2) are male, God's spirit is a neuter "it" - Numbers 11:17, 25The Trinity exists in the NT. Jesus says clearly the three persons of the trinity in the baptize ceremony. In the name of father son holy spirit. the word ''trinity'' was later added for academic reasons.
God sends forth His spirit according to Psalms 104:30.They aren't independent gods. Father gave birth to son, and the holy spirit comes from father..................
I'd like to add John 10:36 to the above because Jesus answered saying that he is the Son of God.But not God our Heavenly Father our only true God who was never a man or son of man.
Mat 23:9 KJV And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Joh 8:42 KJV Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 17:3 KJV And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 5:37 KJV And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 10:37 KJV If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Mat 5:17 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Num 23:19 KJV God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, andshall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Joh 7:17 KJV If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 12:49 KJV For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 KJV And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
If a male human was not a male and not human who would you be.
And that male would claim a human female and be lying.
As a female I say to you male, imagine if a male did not have sex, then where are the stories you discuss as that male about a God being a male?
He would say in his thinking.
What does thinking involve, if not personal history?
When you say God, you do not claim that God is anything other than a male.
Now if God created you, as you claim, then you would not in any use of information be motivated to build a machine and react it claiming to take the power of God, would you, if you were rational?
Yet as we are all today just a baby consciousness, from sperm and an ovary, and the book writers Bible all owned that exact same historic life information, then what do you all think you are claiming.
As a living human, being a male and talking about God O the body of stone.
Stone O that ended its creative form in empty out of space...where God ended.
So how is O God in science any male....and be rational for once won't you!
Then he would say, no the atmospheric gas mass got converted in evil UFO metallic ARK radiation, and the male son was given his sacrificed life presence.
Oh, so you told yourselves what you did to self, male as a Son of a Father who was a scientist?
You mean using rational human information instead of blaming...claiming it is your self destructive rights to harm all life on Earth, because God says so...that sort of male mentality.
I notice Jesus as Mighty God and Not called as Almighty God.Isaiah 9:6 ...unto us a son is given. His name will be called Mighty God, Everlasting Father ...................
I find Jesus is a creation:Umm... the son and the holy spirit aren't creations like we are. They are god.
I find Jesus is a creation:
At Revelation 3:14 pre-human Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
In other words, Jesus was "IN" the beginning but Not ' before ' the beginning.
Only God was ' before ' the beginning according to Psalms 90:2 being from everlasting. No starting point.
So, pre-human heavenly Jesus was Not ' before ' the beginning as his God was ' before ' the beginning of creation.
Plus, God's spirit (Psalms 104:30) is Not male but a neuter "IT" - Numbers 11:17, 25; Romans 8:16, 26.
The newer King James changed 'it' to him but that does Not make a neuter a person.
Greek grammar rules allow for a neuter to be called as a he although remaining a neuter 'it'.
For example: even in English we speak of a car or a ship as a 'she' although they remain a neuter 'it'.
Our spirit is also a neuter 'it' according to Ecclesiastes 12:7.
I'd like to add John 10:36 to the above because Jesus answered saying that he is the Son of God.
Even the devils of Luke 4:41 know who Jesus is.
OK. I see that you are trustful in the Bible, but, unfortunately, I am not as much as you believe!To save humans. Didn't God promise to send his son to save humans? jesus is the son.
God sent his son.OK. I see that you are trustful in the Bible, but, unfortunately, I am not as much as you believe!