Why is it ok for USA

[Spirit of Light]

That’s really, really nice, but also unrealistic since human beings seem incapable of living in peace with one another. At least not when resources are limited. The struggle for dominance and survival is in our DNA as borne out in millions of years of evolution.

You’ve tacitly accepted this conclusion by advocating that Iran have nukes too. So what’s the problem with everyone having nukes?

If one use it, this world ends because then everyone start to nuke others. We should not need weapons. Why have enemies?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Your opinion is duly noted. Trump hasn´t gone crazy, and the mullahs are all crazy.

They are pushing, and pushing, if THEY go to far, I hope they, their navy, and their republican guard are obliterated.

They have been lucky, so far, their luck will run out.

Why so much hate?

 

[sooda]

Why so much hate?

Because Iran threatens the whole region.. Do you forget they are funding Hezbollah, HAMAS and the al Houthis?

Yemen and Lebanon have paid a terrible price for Iran's "mischief".

 

[Revoltingest]

All the Americans in the m.e knew it was a major screw up..m and it was 70 years ago.

But it still reverberates today.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but.....
It seems you excuse every Saudi sin,
but see the very worst in Iran.

 

[Revoltingest]

So if Trump goes crazy it is ok Russland attack? no, i do not think it is. And i do not think it is Americas right to attack Iran. or any other nation in middle east

I'm not approving any nation attacking another.
But I'll observe that the behavior of one can lead to behavior of another.
So we should thoroughly consider the consequences of our actions.

 

[sooda]

But it still reverberates today.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but.....
It seems you excuse every Saudi sin,
but see the very worst in Iran.

The SAG has an excellent track record over the past 80 years.

Don't try to beg off Iran by false accusations against the Saudis. They are the good guys in the neighborhood.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Because Iran threatens the whole region.. Do you forget they are funding Hezbollah, HAMAS and the al Houthis?

Yemen and Lebanon have paid a terrible price for Iran's "mischief".

And USA funding saudi arabia with weapons, right?
What is the difference?

 

[sooda]

And USA funding saudi arabia with weapons, right?
What is the difference?

You don't know the difference, do you?

KSA buys the weapons and they are committed to peace in the region. always have been. They have NO ambitions with regard to Iran.

 

[shmogie]

Overthrowing the Mossadeeg.. The Iran-Iraq war went on for years.. and Bush's invasion in 2003 was an egregious blunder.

Perhaps it was a blunder, but a blunder with good cause.

We never had a peace treaty with saddam, there was a cease fire from the first gulf war.

In that cease fire agreement, Iraq was required to do some very specific things., The most important being full inspection of the site where his nuclear program had existed. These inspections were to be made by the UN. Further, CCTV cameras, monitored by UN inspectors were placed throughout the facility. Iraq agreed to all of these, and it worked for a short while. Then soldiers began harassing inspectors, cameras were fiddled with and destroyed.

Finally no inspectors were allowed in, and the cameras were removed. There were 23 UN resolutions requiring Iraq to adhere to to its agreements, it refused. This went on over an extended period of time.

We now knew that saddam was trying to bluff Iran into thinking he had nukes, because he was afraid they would attack him.

To the world, and all western intelligence services, he was acting just like he had nukes.

Twice he was given ultimatums, he ignored them. Finally Bush personally gave him an ultimatum to allow inspections, he refused. The war started.

He apparently believed he would not be attacked, he did not choose wisely.

The big mistake of the US in Iraq was to stay once the job was done. We should have immediately pulled out and let the people of the region fight it out. It appears that western values, like democracy, do not mean much to the muslim mind. Most are tribalists. We had no business trying to rebuild the place or trying to make good little voters out of the people. They do not want anything we have, except money.

Let them come up with their own government, or whatever.

 

[Revoltingest]

The SAG has an excellent track record over the past 80 years.

Don't try to beg off Iran by false accusations against the Saudis. They are the good guys in the neighborhood.

False accusations, eh.
Bless your heart.

 

[shmogie]

Why so much hate?

I remember the events of 1979 very clearly.

The region would be better of and happier if Iran was given an enema and the mullahs, and their terror apparatus went down the drain.

 

[sooda]

Perhaps it was a blunder, but a blunder with good cause.

We never had a peace treaty with saddam, there was a cease fire from the first gulf war.

In that cease fire agreement, Iraq was required to do some very specific things., The most important being full inspection of the site where his nuclear program had existed. These inspections were to be made by the UN. Further, CCTV cameras, monitored by UN inspectors were placed throughout the facility. Iraq agreed to all of these, and it worked for a short while. Then soldiers began harassing inspectors, cameras were fiddled with and destroyed.

Finally no inspectors were allowed in, and the cameras were removed. There were 23 UN resolutions requiring Iraq to adhere to to its agreements, it refused. This went on over an extended period of time.

We now knew that saddam was trying to bluff Iran into thinking he had nukes, because he was afraid they would attack him.

To the world, and all western intelligence services, he was acting just like he had nukes.

Twice he was given ultimatums, he ignored them. Finally Bush personally gave him an ultimatum to allow inspections, he refused. The war started.

He apparently believed he would not be attacked, he did not choose wisely.

The big mistake of the US in Iraq was to stay once the job was done. We should have immediately pulled out and let the people of the region fight it out. It appears that western values, like democracy, do not mean much to the muslim mind. Most are tribalists. We had no business trying to rebuild the place or trying to make good little voters out of the people. They do not want anything we have, except money.

Let them come up with their own government, or whatever.

In 1997-98 Saddam begged the US to lift sanctions on his oil sector to get Haliburton in there to repair and update oil reserves which were in danger of being lost forever from bad management. The estimate for doing it was 20 billion.

 

[sooda]

False accusations, eh.
Bless your heart.

You obviously don't know anything about KSA.

 

[shmogie]

In 1997-98 Saddam begged the US to lift sanctions on his oil sector to get Haliburton in there to repair and update oil reserves which were in danger of being lost forever from bad management. The estimate for doing it was 20 billion.

Were we supposed to pay for it ?

 

[Revoltingest]

I remember the events of 1979 very clearly.

The region would be better of and happier if Iran was given an enema and the mullahs, and their terror apparatus went down the drain.

And we have such a good record of regime change there & elsewhere.

 

[shmogie]

Obama didn't "unseat" Khadafi.. By the time NATO got involved all the embassies had pulled out.. 7 oil companies had pulled out and refugees were pouring into Italy.

Don't try to reinvent Khadafi.. He was always a bad actor.. and dumb as a damned post since 1969.

Yes, but he actually gave up his weapons in an attempt to get on the good side of the US. Unfortunately for him, his craziness wouldn´t allow him to stay there.

 

[sooda]

Were we supposed to pay for it ?

Nope.. They could pay for it with oil revenues..

For comparison.. look at the cost of Bush's war.

 

[Revoltingest]

You obviously don't know anything about KSA.

Inviting personal observations, eh. I'll offer one for you....
I see no empathy for what Iranians have endured at our hands, which
bespeaks great prejudice against Iran, & apologetics for Saudi Arabia.

Let us now keep personal commentary a seldom thing.

 

[sooda]

Yes, but he actually gave up his weapons in an attempt to get on the good side of the US. Unfortunately for him, his craziness wouldn´t allow him to stay there.

That was Khadifi's way.. He'd behave for a couple of years and then go off the rails. When he came to power he was 27 and had NO education.. He was a barefoot Bedouin boy.

 

[sooda]

Inviting personal observations, eh. I'll offer one....
I see no empathy for what Iranians have endured at our hands, which
bespeaks great prejudice against Iran, & apologetics for Saudi Arabia.

Let us now keep personal commentary a seldom thing.

The Saudi track record shows they are our oldest and staunchest ally in the region since the late 1930s.