Why I support Putin and his band against Americans adopting Russian children

[uberrobonomicon4000]

I’m American, but I find it to be un-American and ridiculous when people go to other countries to adopt. There are a lot of children in America that could use a home. The whole point of adoption is just that, to provide a child that doesn’t have a home a place to live and grow up.

I don’t think Americans (those who wish to adopt) are doing anyone any favors when they adopt children from other countries without getting rid of the problems that reside in America first.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If anyone wants to adopt a child, regardless of where from, why should there ever be a valid reason for refusing the child the opportunity to go to a good home?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I’m American, but I find it to be un-American and ridiculous when people go to other countries to adopt. There are a lot of children in America that could use a home. The whole point of adoption is just that, to provide a child that doesn’t have a home a place to live and grow up.

I don’t think Americans (those who wish to adopt) are doing anyone any favors when they adopt children from other countries without getting rid of the problems that reside in America first.

I agree and disagree. Maybe a gay/lesbian couple find it easier to adopt that way...I don't know.....

Should we ban mail order brides as well??...I don't know. It seems to be a lot of women here in the US as well....

 

[LuisDantas]

Why make nationality-based decisions for such matters at all?

 

[Desert Snake]

@oP

I can see where you're coming from, and to a cerain extent I agree.......i'm also biased, being an American though... I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this recent decision, i'm leaning more towards being against it, it might only accomplish less children being adopted, in which case I can't imagine that being a positive thing.

 

[dust1n]

I don’t think Americans (those who wish to adopt) are doing anyone any favors when they adopt children from other countries without getting rid of the problems that reside in America first.

Except the child that was adopted. Seems they would be getting a big favor.

I'm not really sure getting rid of the problems in America helps anyone but Americans.

 

[Falvlun]

I think a homeless kid getting a home is a good thing, regardless of his nationality.

And also, often, it is much easier to adopt kids from abroad, so we probably would have a net drop in kids getting adopted if we restricted adoption to only American kids.

 

[McBell]

I’m American, but I find it to be un-American and ridiculous when people go to other countries to adopt. There are a lot of children in America that could use a home. The whole point of adoption is just that, to provide a child that doesn’t have a home a place to live and grow up.

I don’t think Americans (those who wish to adopt) are doing anyone any favors when they adopt children from other countries without getting rid of the problems that reside in America first.

So basically you are saying you are in support of the adoption ban because you are not un-American and it is somehow un-American to adopt babies from foreign countries?

 

[dust1n]

I've supported Putin before. For instance I thought that locking up that ridiculous Punk Band for two years was a good idea.

However this decision strikes me as being a bit impulsive and rash.

Whoa whoa... you thought locking up ***** Riot for 2 years in prison was a good idea... because they were protesting the Catholic Church?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I've supported Putin before. For instance I thought that locking up that ridiculous Punk Band for two years was a good idea.

However this decision strikes me as being a bit impulsive and rash.

How is this impulsive and rash, and locking up ***** Riot isn't?

 

[dust1n]

St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!

Black robe, golden epaulettes
All parishioners are crawling and bowing
The ghost of freedom is in heaven
Gay pride sent to Siberia in chains

The head of the KGB is their chief saint
Leads protesters to prison under escort
In order not to offend the Holy
Women have to give birth and to love

Holy ****, ****, Lord's ****!
Holy ****, ****, Lord's ****!

(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist
Become a feminist, Become a feminist
(end chorus)

Church praises the rotten dictators
The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
In school you are going to meet with a teacher-preacher
Go to class - bring him money!

Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
*****, you better believed in God
Belt of the Virgin is no substitute for mass-meetings
In protest of our Ever-Virgin Mary!

St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!





Two years in prison for... speech? Who agrees with a corrupt dictator?

 

[Desert Snake]

Whoa whoa... you thought locking up ***** Riot for 2 years in prison was a good idea... because they were protesting the Catholic Church?

They were protesting the Catholic church? That's news to me

 

[Brickjectivity]

I'm pondering what else this legislation could be about. An additional issue with this legislation is it blocks or regulates foreign charities. The reason Russia has traditionally allowed USA charities is because of Pres. Warren Harding's program to support them when large segments of the population were starving -- due to inept government policies at the time. This law seems like an attempt to remove the memory of that or perhaps to force Russians to recalculate their futures without expecting foreign support. Many Russian people are helped by charities. In the USA we have charities that support children's schools over there and also continuing education. I wonder to what extent these programs will be affected?

 

[Dingbat]

They were protesting the Catholic church? That's news to me

They weren't they were protesting the Russian Orthodox Church especially that cathedral which is rented out for parties by the highest echelons of Russian society.

 

[Desert Snake]

They weren't they were protesting the Russian Orthodox Church especially that cathedral which is rented out for parties by the highest echelons of Russian society.

Lol I know

 

[Dingbat]

Lol I know

I thought as much but I just wanted to be sure.

 

[dust1n]

They weren't they were protesting the Russian Orthodox Church especially that cathedral which is rented out for parties by the highest echelons of Russian society.

Russian Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church... they are both big churches!


Seriously, thanks for the correction.

 

[dust1n]

Considering that they were trespassing on private property,

A church?

engaging in disorderly conduct,

There was no church service in session at the time, and only a few people were in the cathedral.[43] Removing their winter clothes, they put on colorful balaclavas, walked up the steps leading to the altar, and began to jump around, punching the air.[44] After less than a minute, they were escorted outside the building by guards.[45]

***** Riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and that they had a series of past offenses, it was not a harsh sentence.

Past offenses? When were they charged with hooliganism before?

In fact, most Russians would probably agree that they got off easily. The media in the West tried to make it look like a case of free speech, but it wasn't. And considering you can be thrown in jail in the West for what they call "hate speech" against selected groups, it's hypocritical to say Putin has gone too far.

So fair critism of government and religion is akin to hate speech against selected groups? I'm not aware of anyone who has gotten arrested for insulting the Christian Church in America or the government. I'm not aware of anyone in America who gets arrested 10 days later for a protest on a private premise which was left when asked.

I wonder how much sympathy people would give them if they had burst into a synagogue in say Paris, and oh, I don't know, made disagreeable remarks about the State of Israel.

I still wouldn't give them a week in the Russian prison system.

 

[dust1n]

Still doesn't make it right. If I went into a Synagogue on a Tuesday night and created a disturbance I'd still be trespassing. If I went into a Buddhist temple even when nobody else was there, I'd be trespassing as well.

I don't know how the law works in every country, particularly Russia, but generally you can't be arrested for being on private property (not that that is what they were even arrested for anyway) unless there is a sign that states private property, or some refuses to leave said property when notification is not properly placed.

I suppose you think hate speech doesn't happen against Russians?

Ok, what does arresting ***** Riot have to do with hate speech? You compared hate speech crimes to what would be covered as free speech in America.

The West Has Jailed Many For Similar or Lesser Offenses

The only reason you're supporting them is because you happen to agree with what they were saying. If you didn't agree with their politics, you'd probably want the book thrown at them.

I said America, first of all. And the only example of yours that involves America, nobody was arrested.

And I'm afraid your wrong. Free speech is free speech to me, regardless how I feel about it.

 

[Dingbat]

Russian Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church... they are both big churches!


Seriously, thanks for the correction.

I barely see the difference as well to be quite honest. Both are run by celibate Old Men with far too much time on their hands to ponder all kinds of inane issues.