Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection

[F1fan]

I didn’t excuse Chauvin or his actions, now you’re saying it’s racism and that’s a big problem.

Are you confessing that you aren't aware that racism is a huge problem in the USA?

 

[Trailblazer]

If Christ returned in the clouds you’re saying His Bride, His Body, all those who made a covenant with Him didn’t see Him. Everyone else did though which is not correct.

I am saying that Christ returned in the clouds and all the Christians (except the Christians who became Baha'is) missed the return of Christ.

The term “clouds” as used in the Bible means those things that cloud our judgment and prevent us from seeing what is really there. Just like the physical clouds prevent the eyes of men from beholding the sun, the desires of men hindered men from recognizing the return of Christ.

I did not say everyone else saw Christ return, thus far only the Baha'is have seen Him and know who He is.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus doesn't describe a God like the OT does. Almost a different God. Or it got therapy.

It's the same God, He just turned over a new leaf when He sent Jesus.

 

[Trailblazer]

None of it seems to be true.

That's because it isn't true.

 

[paarsurrey]

Funny how we have their names though isn't it . But this a tired old argument. From the radical skeptics . Usually on the Internet.

Wrong.
It is from the Catholic Encyclopedia under the word "Gospel". Right?

Regards

 

[ElishaElijah]

Are you confessing that you aren't aware that racism is a huge problem in the USA?

Racism isn’t a huge problem, BLM and other groups are trying to make it that. Just the way you frame your question is proof enough to me that you’re part of the problem. Racism and cops in particular has already been debunked. Many have already posted the data on gun crime, etc. Even the false white privilege income inequality gap when white income is around 8 or 9 among nationality groups in the US. It’s a problem with people claiming “racism” and lying about it when the numbers don’t add up. Where is racism an issue? Democrat run cities

 

[ElishaElijah]

I am saying that Christ returned in the clouds and all the Christians (except the Christians who became Baha'is) missed the return of Christ.

The term “clouds” as used in the Bible means those things that cloud our judgment and prevent us from seeing what is really there. Just like the physical clouds prevent the eyes of men from beholding the sun, the desires of men hindered men from recognizing the return of Christ.

I did not say everyone else saw Christ return, thus far only the Baha'is have seen Him and know who He is.

Thanks for sharing your views, clearing some things up. Although I see things different

 

[ElishaElijah]

I didn't mention the Hebrew language. I was referring to the text in the Bible and how the concepts describing God differ from the Old to New Testaments. Jesus doesn't describe a God like the OT does. Almost a different God. Or it got therapy.

I don’t see the difference in God’s character from beginning to end. Are you saying that by the time we get to Revelation and the end of the book God got therapy is different, more mello and chill?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don’t see the difference in God’s character from beginning to end. Are you saying that by the time we get to Revelation and the end of the book God got therapy is different, more mello and chill?

You need to study your Bible some more. The Old Testament God is a rather evil creature. Pro-genocide, ready to kill for the most petty of reasons, pro-slavery, the lists goes on and on.. He gets a bit better towards the end except when he ODs on LSD in Revelation.

 

[Trailblazer]

You need to study your Bible some more. The Old Testament God is a rather evil creature. Pro-genocide, ready to kill for the most petty of reasons, pro-slavery, the lists goes on and on.. He gets a bit better towards the end except when he ODs on LSD in Revelation.

God was having a 'bad hair day' with the Jews before Jesus came on the scene, but Jesus straightened everything out.
God did not write the Book of Revelation so we cannot blame Him for that.

 

[alypius]

What we could do is have the piece of meat you found tested, and if it comes back beef, not good for you. If it comes back polar bear, over even some kind of bear, then that's good for your claim as it's extraordinary evidence.

Why would the report from a laboratory analysis of a piece of meat be called extraordinary evidence instead of just evidence (people do laboratory analyses of biological specimens all the time)?

 

[alypius]

Yes there were writers who created factual records and we can distinguish these from embellished texts. Historians and linguists examine these ancient texts and present their conclusions. It's quite interesting what they can reveal about the various texts, especially the four Gospels.

So there were some non-embellished texts written in the period when the gospels were written?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So there were some non-embellished texts written in the period when the gospels were written?

We will never know. Competing accounts were mostly destroyed by the early Church.

 

[F1fan]

Why would the report from a laboratory analysis of a piece of meat be called extraordinary evidence instead of just evidence (people do laboratory analyses of biological specimens all the time)?

Because the claim is extraordinary, so any evince would have to be extraordinary since polar bear meat is highly unlikely. But I take your point that at least it's plausible, unlike a supernatural.

 

[F1fan]

So there were some non-embellished texts written in the period when the gospels were written?

There were quite a few Greek and Roman historians in the first century and after.

 

[alypius]

There were quite a few Greek and Roman historians in the first century and after.

So if the Gospels were non-embellished texts, and on condition they were trustworthy testimony, then couldn't they serve as evidence for the resurrection?

 

[alypius]

Because the claim is extraordinary, so any evince would have to be extraordinary since polar bear meat is highly unlikely. But I take your point that at least it's plausible, unlike a supernatural.

So a laboratory analysis report of a claimed piece of polar bear food would be called extraordinary evidence, but the laboratory analysis report of a claimed carcass of a polar bear in the north pole would be called ordinary evidence (even though both laboratory reports are exactly the same)?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So if the Gospels were non-embellished texts, and on condition they were trustworthy testimony, then couldn't they serve as evidence for the resurrection?

Have you read the Gospels? It is clear that they are embellished. At least all of those after Mark. If they were not they would all agree with each other.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So a laboratory analysis report of a claimed piece of polar bear food would be called extraordinary evidence, but the laboratory analysis report of a claimed carcass of a polar bear in the north pole would be called ordinary evidence (even though both laboratory reports are exactly the same)?

????

 

[alypius]

We will never know. Competing accounts were mostly destroyed by the early Church.

What reasons are there to support this claim?