Why facts don't change your mind

[SalixIncendium]

Still doesn't mean that he doesn't do exactly the same as he accused others of doing though, does it?

What did he accuse others of doing again?

 

[Mock Turtle]

What did he accuse others of doing again?

Many people are unwilling even to contemplate a shift in perspective which might result in them seeing things differently, if only for a moment.

So who does this apply to? Not really that meaningful if dissected, given it will likely apply to most of those with strong beliefs or even any beliefs - of any sort. And he is implying that he is above such.

 

[Audie]

I do not think the Psychologist took the time to question their own foundation premises. It is easy to see this in others, than to see this in yourself. Psychology has so many orientations, it is like rational polytheism. This is not right but there is no push to become unified. Why wouldn't they question this? It is about market niche.

The approach I took was to look at the obscure science literature, that had anomalous but verified data, that the standard models, could not account for. For example, the BB could not account for galaxies appearing to form very fast and early in the BB. These accepted data were enough for me to get past clan bias. Developing alternatives, that did not have such ignore data, was the next stage, which was much harder to do.

Climate science ignore the latest data of the inner earth, which controls the geological dynamics of the earth that impacts the surface. One volcano from the mantle can alter climate or heat the oceans. Half baked is not good enough for me, but appears good enough for many who do not question but obey.

Do you question your own assumed status
as one who sees further and clearer than the
actual researchers?

 

[RestlessSoul]

No idea, shotgun approach? I suppose we all tend to use such on RF though.

I should first remove the sty from mine own eye, I suppose. Fair comment.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Many people are unwilling even to contemplate a shift in perspective which might result in them seeing things differently, if only for a moment.

So who does this apply to? Not really that meaningful if dissected, given it will likely apply to most of those with strong beliefs or even any beliefs - of any sort. And he is implying that he is above such.

I’m implying, or you’re assuming?

 

[SalixIncendium]

So who does this apply to?

People are unwilling even to contemplate a shift in perspective which might result in them seeing things differently, if only for a moment?

Not really that meaningful if dissected, given it will likely apply to most of those with strong beliefs or even any beliefs - of any sort. And he is implying that he is above such.

Nope. You inferred that. You made an assumption based on you own personal perspective.

I won’t speak for @RestlessSoul, but I don’t think he was implying anything behind what he said. If he wanted to relay that he was above such, based on my previous interactions with him, I think he probably would have just come out and said it.

 

[Mock Turtle]

People are unwilling even to contemplate a shift in perspective which might result in them seeing things differently, if only for a moment?


Nope. You inferred that. You made an assumption based on you own personal perspective.

I won’t speak for @RestlessSoul, but I don’t think he was implying anything behind what he said. If he wanted to relay that he was above such, based on my previous interactions with him, I think he probably would have just come out and said it.

Sorry, but to me this was implied by his statement - that such didn't apply to him.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Sorry, but to me this was implied by his statement - that such didn't apply to him.

Well, then. Let me be the first to thank you for your service to the Shift in Perspective Contemplation Police.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Feel free to make that assumption, if you think it appropriate.

It's nit an assumption. You're a human. This means you make errors, from at least time to time, in various areas of cognition.
Or do you think you have a better brain in yiur head than Einstein?

 

[SalixIncendium]

It's nit an assumption. You're a human. This means you make errors, from at least time to time, in various areas of cognition.
Or do you think you have a better brain in yiur head than Einstein?

Speaking of errors...

Are you wanting to join in on the same on that was just made and corrected?

I mean, we are reading the same thread, yes?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Speaking of errors...

Are you wanting to join in on the same on that was just made and corrected?

I mean, we are reading the same thread, yes?

"Many people." It's something we all do. And we even have polls where people have clearly over estimated their own positions while under estimating the human condition, like the thread asking about our beliefs based on evidence and logic and some people on the poll selected all their beliefs are. No, not sorry, that's just not how people work.

 

[SalixIncendium]

"Many people." It's something we all do. And we even have polls where people have clearly over estimated their own positions while under estimating the human condition, like the thread asking about our beliefs based on evidence and logic and some people on the poll selected all their beliefs are. No, not sorry, that's just not how people work.

You have no way of knowing "we all do," so I'll thank you to not make such a sweeping generalization without having met each and every person on the planet. It's quite an arrogant generalization for one that's suggesting another member made an arrogant claim. You simply cannot speak intelligently about how all people work.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You have no way of knowing "we all do," so I'll thank you to not make such a sweeping generalization without having met each and every person on the planet. It's quite an arrogant generalization for one that's suggesting another member made an arrogant claim. You simply cannot speak intelligently about how all people work.

Yes, we all do. The human brain misremembers things, it misinterprets stimuli, and it definitely resists information that makes it uncomfortable. Of course some are better at correcting these autobiases than others, but only the dead are free of the cognitive biases and errors (many of them unconscious) that are a normal feature of the human brain that do happen to us all (it's basic human psychology).

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes, we all do. The human brain misremembers things, it misinterprets stimuli, and it definitely resists information that makes it uncomfortable. Of course some are better at correcting these autobiases than others, but only the dead are free of the cognitive biases and errors (many of them unconscious) that are a normal feature of the human brain that do happen to us all (it's basic human psychology).

Again, you have no way of knowing that. But believe what you will. I have no interest in going back and forth with you on this. I merely take exception to members who presume to speak intelligently about knowing another member's intent based on an assumption resulting from that member's inference.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Again, you have no way of knowing that. But believe what you will. I have no interest in going back and forth with you on this. I merely take exception to members who presume to speak intelligently about knowing another member's intent based on an assumption resulting from that member's inference.

It's called human psychology. That's how we know that.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I do not think the Psychologist took the time to question their own foundation premises. It is easy to see this in others, than to see this in yourself. Psychology has so many orientations, it is like rational polytheism. This is not right but there is no push to become unified. Why wouldn't they question this? It is about market niche.

The approach I took was to look at the obscure science literature, that had anomalous but verified data, that the standard models, could not account for. For example, the BB could not account for galaxies appearing to form very fast and early in the BB. These accepted data were enough for me to get past clan bias. Developing alternatives, that did not have such ignore data, was the next stage, which was much harder to do.

Climate science ignore the latest data of the inner earth, which controls the geological dynamics of the earth that impacts the surface. One volcano from the mantle can alter climate or heat the oceans. Half baked is not good enough for me, but appears good enough for many who do not question but obey.

This doesn't seem related to the OP either.
Did you read the article? What's your summary opinion of it?

 

[Estro Felino]

But seen in less judgemental terms, I guess we are all prone, albeit in different contexts.

Maybe many do. But not all.

 

[Estro Felino]

Because certainties are often fragile and help people live better.
So abandoning them can be devastating.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Maybe many do. But not all.

Not sure about that. I think some humans are very good at explicitly considering alternative opinions to their own, which is perhaps what you mean. But no one is immune to cognitive dissonance, and to think one is would be a major risk factor in struggling with it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Not sure about that. I think some humans are very good at explicitly considering alternative opinions to their own, which is perhaps what you mean. But no one is immune to cognitive dissonance, and to think one is would be a major risk factor in struggling with it.

It's cultural.
In my country there is a word, doublestandardism.
And being accused of doublestandardism is something people avoid, no matter the cost.
So they try to apply the same standards to every aspect of their own life, and the other people's life.

Which results in acknowledging "I was wrong".
My country can look like a madhouse...but at the end of the heated discussions, they all say: sorry, I was wrong.