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Why do not christians believe in the Talmud?
- Thread starter Starlight
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For the same reason Christians don't believe in the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
It's not Christian scripture.
It's not Christian scripture.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Christians believe in the Torah and Tanakh, except it is named the old testament in christianity. so why not Talmud?
Judaism and christianity is connected. Jesus was a jew
Do you think that Jews believe in the Talmud and, if so, what would does that mean to you?
You might find Dialogue and Dialectics: Talmud to be of interest. What does it mean to believe in a dialogue?
Christians believe in the Torah and Tanakh except when they don't.
Glaurung
Denizen of Niflheim
Christians do not recognize the legitimacy of rabbinic teaching because Christianity isn't a form of Judaism.
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Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
early christianity was a form of judaism
I would argue that Christianity is a form of Hellenization, with "early Christianity" spending much of its time and energy purging itself of its Judaic roots.
Glaurung
Denizen of Niflheim
Not quite. Christianity is an offshoot of Second Temple Judaism which branched off to become its own religion. Rabbinic Judaism (what most religious Jews practice today) is its own separate development which emerged around the same time as Christianity. These are two distinct religions and there is no more reason for Christians to accept the Talmud than there is for them to accept the hadith literature.
It seems to me that the decisive factor is that the Talmud compilates teachings from Rabis, speaking in the role of priests of Judaism.
Judaism isn't a form of Christianity, and never was, probably will never be.
One can argue that for a considerable time Christianity was a form of Judaism, but that is no longer remotely the case.
In practice, the one way of having Christians accept the Talmud is by dissolving Christianity and having former Christians convert to Judaism.
Also: I may easily be mistaken, but I think that the Talmuds include much of the explanation about the Messiah that Judaism waits for, and are therefore incompatible with Christianity at a doctrinary level.
Judaism isn't a form of Christianity, and never was, probably will never be.
One can argue that for a considerable time Christianity was a form of Judaism, but that is no longer remotely the case.
In practice, the one way of having Christians accept the Talmud is by dissolving Christianity and having former Christians convert to Judaism.
Also: I may easily be mistaken, but I think that the Talmuds include much of the explanation about the Messiah that Judaism waits for, and are therefore incompatible with Christianity at a doctrinary level.
Is there any good reason for them to believe it?
I'd suggest,
- The Talmud as we have it was compiled after the emergence of Christianity and contains ideas and theologies more relevant to what we now know as Rabbinic Judaism.
- The Talmud may contain passages deriding Jesus and his mother (some believe it does).
- As a coherent body of text it was compiled over a long period, by Rabbinic Jews for Rabbinic Jews.
- Contains much information totally irrelevant to non-Jewish Christianity, such as tractates on ritual purity, kosher laws, laws of the Land of Israel, etc.
- The Talmud as we have it was compiled after the emergence of Christianity and contains ideas and theologies more relevant to what we now know as Rabbinic Judaism.
- The Talmud may contain passages deriding Jesus and his mother (some believe it does).
- As a coherent body of text it was compiled over a long period, by Rabbinic Jews for Rabbinic Jews.
- Contains much information totally irrelevant to non-Jewish Christianity, such as tractates on ritual purity, kosher laws, laws of the Land of Israel, etc.
About the Talmud, this info may be useful:
Taken from https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=Talmud&p=par&r=occ&st=a and there's a lot of more information right there about the Talmud.
The Jewish compilation called Talmud (both versions) is not part of the original Hebrew Scriptures but a kind of commentary on human rules which supposedly derive from scholarly Jewish interpretations of the inspired Scriptures. It contains Jewish traditions that have no biblical basis.
Those compilations (made after the 3rd century AD) include the Mishnah, another compilation made about some older Jewish teachings (like oral law and tradition) that expand on and interprets God’s written Law, especially that given to Moses.
Some Jews believe that the oral law is as important as the written law of Moses, but that idea has no support in the Scriptures.
Taken from https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=Talmud&p=par&r=occ&st=a and there's a lot of more information right there about the Talmud.
The Jewish compilation called Talmud (both versions) is not part of the original Hebrew Scriptures but a kind of commentary on human rules which supposedly derive from scholarly Jewish interpretations of the inspired Scriptures. It contains Jewish traditions that have no biblical basis.
Those compilations (made after the 3rd century AD) include the Mishnah, another compilation made about some older Jewish teachings (like oral law and tradition) that expand on and interprets God’s written Law, especially that given to Moses.
Some Jews believe that the oral law is as important as the written law of Moses, but that idea has no support in the Scriptures.
Why do you believe that there's a tornado attacking Florida?
It's because the message is broadcast with an US-facing authentication. It's usually broadcast by a mass media in a US-facing manner while being authorized by a US-facing authority which is the US government. This is an "unknown" process for any truth to convey among humans.
Talmud is a later product without any authentication from a Jew-facing authority. Previous it's the Pharisees who took up the role. Actually the rabbis have to turn what being called Oral Law into the written form due to the lack of any enforcing authority to maintain the conveying of laws verbally. They have to write down what is supposed to be oral to its written form due to lack of a Jew-facing authority to enforce its continuity.
Their Temple was destructed. This means they are no longer authenticated by God. They are driven out of Palestine area. This means that they can no longer "own" a Jew-facing authority as the Jews now are scattered all over the world.
On the other hand, Christianity has a world-facing authority which we usually refer to as "God's Church" on earth.
By the enforcement and authentication of a US-facing authority, the message that "a tornado is going to strike Florida" has been broadcast in a US-facing manner to reach you as a US citizen. By the same token, with the enforcement and authentication of a world-facing Church, the gospel (good news and message of salvation) has been preached (i.e., broadcast) in a human-facing manner to reach you.
That's the way (possibly the only way) for a truth of any kind to be conveyed among humans to reach human individuals. While humans don't realize that such a way exists, God did!
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Ehav4Ever
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This is actually not historically accurate. Early Christianity, if you want to call it that, was simply made up of Jews who had a particular beleive about a particular individual. Who those early Jews were and what they actually beleived about their neither was not ever Judaism, nor is there any evidence that they called their beleive system "Judaism. Further, the early Jewish beleivers in Jesus as a group disappeared off the historical map within two generations of their start. The Talmud did not exist in written form at that time. (I.e. meaning the actual text consisting of the Mishnah and Gemara)
Further, after the early Jewish beleivers in jesus died out what was left of whatever they held was taken over and modified by the early non-Jewish Christian churches. Many of the Church fathers made it clear that they did not want any part of anything that could have been considered Judaism.
Thus, there would be no historical reason for Christians to beleive in the Talmud. Besides, there is no such thing as beleving in the Talmud the way you mentioned. That is not the purpose of the Talmud.