waitasec
Veteran Member
because we are here...:yes:
why are we here...? that depends on the person you ask
some are the controlling type others are followers....
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why did god create humans?
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because we are here...:yes:
why are we here...? that depends on the person you ask
some are the controlling type others are followers....
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
And some lay on the beach and sip Margaritas...because we are here...:yes:
why are we here...? that depends on the person you ask
some are the controlling type others are followers....
:grill:
waitasec
Veteran Member
waitasec
Veteran Member
can you provide a passage that would support this notion of why we were created?
Levite
Higher and Higher
I don't know that I can come up with a single verse off the top of my head that encapsulates all of that at the level of plain, literal meaning. Generally speaking, what I said is a synthesis of a considerable amount of exegetical work, Rabbinic philosophy, and midrash. There are a lot of verses that might be used for Rabbinic exegesis as supports for elements of what I said. But it would take me a while to go through it all, and to be honest, I'm not sure I have the time to write it out, along with the necessary explanations of how Rabbinic exegesis works.
I can tell you if you want to read someone who will give you a Jewish theology of meaning relatively similar to what I put forth, try the writings of Rabbi Elliot N. Dorff.
waitasec
Veteran Member
oh now i get it,
god: you are worthless if you're not like me...
Another breath of stale air from the forum's self abusement director.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
If this is the case, why would Lucifer fall for trying to be God? If God's ultimate goal is for us to be become like him, why would Lucifer fall for attempting to finalize this goal?
(Disclaimer: Lucifer is a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the Vulgate Bible, but people seem to perpetuate it, so for now it is just for the sake of debate)
waitasec
Veteran Member
Another breath of stale air from the forum's self abusement director.
it's interesting how you tend to change the subject by interjecting an insult of some kind...
i fail to see what this post has added to the conversation...
care to explain what #26 means?
earlwooters
Active Member
Everyone makes a mistake now and then. Look at the dodo bird.
james2ko
Well-Known Member
Scripture indicates God's plan is for mankind to become like Him--not the angels. Which leads some to speculate this may have been one of satan's motives for his attempted coup.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
God is a spirit and in the spirit world, he created spiritual beings. The bible says that they all have a purpose and a set place within that spirit realm.
When God created the physical universe, and specifically the earth, he saw fit to create 'physical' beings, in the image of himself and his spirit sons, in order to oversee and govern the physical world. On the earth, he planted a 'garden' as the blueprint for what he wanted the earth to look like...then he created the man and woman and placed them in that garden.
We were created specifically for the purpose of extending the boarders of Eden around the entire globe. That is Gods will...that is our purpose.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So, you're saying if a human tried the same thing Lucifer did, God would have no problem letting humans run reality?
Skwim
Veteran Member
Considering that we've done nothing of the sort, and it doesn't look as if we ever will, was god simply shortsighted in creating his tools (us) or were his expectations simply to high? Then there's the question of why bother using humans in the first place. Wouldn't it have been far more expedient and reliable to just create Eden all over the globe? To leave it to fallible, imperfect, and untrustworthy operants such as ourselves seems kind of foolish. Of course if we were created for his entertainment, like a kid toying with a colony of ants, then maybe we are fulfilling his needs, but it wouldn't be with any sincere expectation that we would succeed in the goal he set for us---the whole global Eden thing.
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james2ko
Well-Known Member
A physical human being cannot possibly mimic the actions of an angelic being. This fact alone breaks down your argument.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
the earth has the potential, the problem is that we became alientated from God when Adam sinned, so since the beginning, people have served their own ends.
I guess he thought the physical earth deserved a physical caretaker. He could have used angels to look after the earth. However he chose to create physical beings who are 'a little less then angels' the bible says. So we are a part of Gods spiritual family, we just live in physical bodies.
And mankind were not created imperfect...Adam was perfect. To be perfect means to live exactly according to Gods will and standards. Adam did so for a length of time, so it is possible for us too.
Anyway, there is definitely something therapeutic about gardening
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So, in the end the pursuit of being like God is all a tease? Great god ya got there...
james2ko
Well-Known Member
Only if one erroneously implies the limitation would always be the case..
I agree
I lean toward Gnostic interpretations for 'creation' of the physical world (where the concept of human makes sense). That it is a manifestation, by a demiurge, to establish the illusion of a particular reality. That reality being a world in which God's creation is separate from a) God and b) from rest of creation (separation from brothers and sisters).