lostwanderingsoul
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Well I don't really feel so safe and sound with so many heathen pagans around.
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christ is expected to return, the bible doesn't say jesus will.
jesus told you that if anyone comes claiming I Am he to believe them not. So if Jesus comes, you going to ignore what he said?
Matthew 24:23
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mark 13:21
And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Christ realized, or returns.
John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
he was taken up in a cloud; which implies obscurity.
enoch was taken, elijah was taken and elijah returned as john the baptist, others were taken.
According to the scriptures Jesus Himself will return:
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” Mark 14:62
Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matthew 26:64
And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:10-11
Specifically to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem;
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south. Zechariah 14:4
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7
I don't see that as a problem. Jesus was speaking to His apostles/followers at the time and His words were recorded for successive generations of believers to anticipate His return including those who will be alive and present to see His actual return occur. Similar to His words to Thomas which were in reference to future believers...Jesus said to him, “Thomas,because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29the problem is that every eye didn't see him go and those eyes that did, aren't around to see him return.
Yes, I am so glad to see everyone is surviving so well. Hatred, war disease. People killing each other everyday. We are so lucky to be doing so well.
Not really, we just call it "minimal wage" the "lower class" and "social debt".Slavery is now globally condemned.
I don't believe so. Morally speaking, I wish our society followed what is known of Norse society. But nowadays Greed rules supreme, pollutes our Earth, and cripples our economies. We the poor suffer, while the rich get richer.We live in a more moral world today than at any point in human history.
He said this isn't his kingdom. Why stay where you aren't wanted, and the rulers of this world didn't want him around.
Because you are said to be the son of God and the ruler of a future kingdom of said God ON EARTH???
jesus said that there were those already there who would realize the coming of the son of man's kingdom. The son of man is a jewish term. Its used to reference ezekiel multiple times too.I don't see that as a problem. Jesus was speaking to His apostles/followers at the time and His words were recorded for successive generations of believers to anticipate His return including those who will be alive and present to see His actual return occur. Similar to His words to Thomas which were in reference to future believers...Jesus said to him, “Thomas,because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29
Besides, who is to say those very apostles and followers He was speaking to will not see Jesus return to earth from their heavenly perspective?
Some standing there did realize and see a brief glimpse of Jesus in the glory of His kingdom, as recorded in Matthew 17 and Luke 9, Peter, James ,and John saw Jesus transfigured and talking with Moses and Elijah.jesus said that there were those already there who would realize the coming of the son of man's kingdom. The son of man is a jewish term. Its used to reference ezekiel multiple times too.
Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
the passage doesn't say the disciples only would see him, it says all eyes will see him. all is not some, or a few, it means literally all.
jesus wasn't present when the angels told the people that just as he went up in a cloud they would see him return. that wasn't for just the disciples, or apostles.
Some standing there did realize and see a brief glimpse of Jesus in the glory of His kingdom, as recorded in Matthew 17 and Luke 9, Peter, James ,and John saw Jesus transfigured and talking with Moses and Elijah.
I have no disagreement with you the passage in Revelation 1:7 ...Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen....does say all eyes will see Him coming. That hasn't happened yet, has it?
he was taken up in a cloud; which implies obscurity.
enoch was taken, elijah was taken and elijah returned as john the baptist, others were taken.
FYI,
"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.
claims everyone, not just the christians, but everyone will see. maybe, understand? see?
And where was the coverage on such a mass exodus of people from this mortal plane? The seven year demonic war to follow? The angels smashing sensors of brimstone into the earth?I believe I fully understand but for those who are not raptured it is too late; the train has left the station.
I believe I fully understand but for those who are not raptured it is too late; the train has left the station.
I believe if you are saying He is returning in obscurity the verse you quoted runs contrary to that concept.
I believe we don't know if he was taken because the clouds hid His departure but logically speaking he either was picked up or He zapped Himself to where He was going (Teleportation).