GuentherBacon
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My savior is Jack Daniels, and the cowboy from the Marlboro ads.
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The arguement is that because of man's original sin (disobedient to God's instruction), man was driven off from the Garden of Eden to toil the earth. Subsequently, man degenerated and became evil, and did many things that were unpleasant to God, and because of all these evils developing, man is suffering on this earth. Even after the flood, and wiping out most of the sin, the orignal sin still pass down from Noah until year AD 33 (or around that time). Hence Jesus came and suffered and took the original sin upon himself, so that man can now be free from the original sin...... etc etc. It is a long story, but essentially there should be no factual error I stated above.almifkhar said:i did indeed great, thats why i don't understand what christ was supose to have saved us from????
Granny Beth said:Didn't know I needed saving. Isn't that a purely Judeo-Christian notion? By all means, educate me if I'm incorrect.
So Jesus came in 1300 AD? Is there any biblical source for dating Jesus around this time, other then yourself, if so, what is it?JesusIsTheWay said:After the Fall, mankind became infested with sin, and God gave us a chance to "work our way to Heaven;" the Law (Moses, OT). God gave man probably around... 5000 years to see if any one man could perfectly fulfill the Law. Nobody could. So, God sent His one and only Son Jesus Christ, so that those that have faith in Him can live with Him in eternity, but not just in eternity, but here on earth, through the Holy Spirit living and dwelling in those that are saved and have passed from death to life.
Hate to disagree with you Maize, but for the Muslims Allah is the saviour, as it is he that holds the judgement between heaven and hell with his mercy, thus his mercy saves, and no man stands between the sons of Adam and their God. It could be argued that Mohammad brought a message that guides and thus saves, but Muslims would regard Muhammad as a messenger, leaving judgement and mercy to Allah. The Muslims also expect the arrival of the 'Mahdi' which roughly translates as Messiach, annoited if you will. This will predate the arrival of Isa/Jeheshuah, whereupon Jehesuah will take the reigns from the Mahdi instituting a global system that will be based on egalitarian principles. There are infact hadith of Muhammad, that concern the return of Jeheshuah. The Mahdi will ask Jesheshuah to lead the prayer, but he will decline saying 'the virtue of this religion (Islam) is that the Muslims lead each other', he will then take up his place amongst the congregation. Muhammad himself as far as I am aware did not always lead the prayer, tho' I am sure there were times that he did. This being said I could be wrong as I have no literature on these facts.Maize said:
You are correct.
Also, Allah is God, not a savior.
TMK, only Judaism (messiah) and Christianity have the concept of a savior.
Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.Engyo said:Buddha doesn't save Buddhists; we each save ourselves. Buddha showed us the way to do so, but he himself is powerless to do anything about my life today, because he's been dead for well over 2000 years. I am the only one who can save me, just as you are the only one who can save you.
Although there is a guy on the radio shouting about "Save You Money!!!!!" Does that count?
Didn't literally mean 5,000 years. It was mildly sarcastic.Deut 13:1 said:So Jesus came in 1300 AD? Is there any biblical source for dating Jesus around this time, other then yourself, if so, what is it?
I must say, this is the craziest claim I've seen here in a long-long time.
I have found some...........Nehustan said:Hate to disagree with you Maize, but for the Muslims Allah is the saviour, as it is he that holds the judgement between heaven and hell with his mercy, thus his mercy saves, and no man stands between the sons of Adam and their God. It could be argued that Mohammad brought a message that guides and thus saves, but Muslims would regard Muhammad as a messenger, leaving judgement and mercy to Allah. The Muslims also expect the arrival of the 'Mahdi' which roughly translates as Messiach, annoited if you will. This will predate the arrival of Isa/Jeheshuah, whereupon Jehesuah will take the reigns from the Mahdi instituting a global system that will be based on egalitarian principles. There are infact hadith of Muhammad, that concern the return of Jeheshuah. The Mahdi will ask Jesheshuah to lead the prayer, but he will decline saying 'the virtue of this religion (Islam) is that the Muslims lead each other', he will then take up his place amongst the congregation. Muhammad himself as far as I am aware did not always lead the prayer, tho' I am sure there were times that he did. This being said I could be wrong as I have no literature on these facts.