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and the Carpenter said....Quote a Bible verse r\that says people go to heaven when they die. Can you do it?
This day you walk with Me in paradise
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and the Carpenter said....Quote a Bible verse r\that says people go to heaven when they die. Can you do it?
Are you really sure "paradise" means Heaven. Adam and Eve were in paradise and they were on earth. I am talkins about a verse that actually uses the word "heaven" not some other description. It is not as easy as it sounds.and the Carpenter said....
This day you walk with Me in paradise
Some Thief wanted to be remembered
Allegedly, they were in a mortal paradise. While the story indicates they would have lived forever, modern science says the Sun would swell into a Red Giant in five billion years and fry Eden into cinders.Are you really sure "paradise" means Heaven. Adam and Eve were in paradise and they were on earth. I am talkins about a verse that actually uses the word "heaven" not some other description. It is not as easy as it sounds.
Adam and Eve walked in a gardenAre you really sure "paradise" means Heaven. Adam and Eve were in paradise and they were on earth. I am talkins about a verse that actually uses the word "heaven" not some other description. It is not as easy as it sounds.
And yet Jesus did NOT go to heaven that day because some time later He told his followers that He had Not yet ascended to the Father. I am still looking for that one verse that says people go to heaven when they die and uses the word "heaven". Can you find it?and the Carpenter said....
This day you walk with Me in paradise
Some Thief wanted to be remembered
All of this may be true but does not answer the question.Adam and Eve walked in a garden
a place that proved to be a petri dish
it served it's purpose and was then dismantled
to them.....losing ideal living conditions would be losing paradise
but flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God
so your discussion is more word play than substanceAnd yet Jesus did NOT go to heaven that day because some time later He told his followers that He had Not yet ascended to the Father. I am still looking for that one verse that says people go to heaven when they die and uses the word "heaven". Can you find it?
No, not wordplay. If people go to heaven there should be at least a few verses that say this. I see you could not find any. Most people also think they have an immortal soul but no verse says that either. So I wonder about the substance of where these beliefs come from.so your discussion is more word play than substance
well....
we end up alongside others that think and feel as we do
How else to be happy?
How else to be fair?
going to paradise ?....are you?
God is SpiritNo, not wordplay. If people go to heaven there should be at least a few verses that say this. I see you could not find any. Most people also think they have an immortal soul but no verse says that either. So I wonder about the substance of where these beliefs come from.
Lots of words but no answer to the quesrion.
That's called being lazy.''Not at all... it was so full of holes that I figured it was more effort than it was worth.
King David himself admitted that he would be sent to Hell. (Psalm 16:10)Hardly, you completely ignored that King David was never called wicked but rather friend.
Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ bore the sins of David as well. That fact does not exempt David from serving his time in Hell before being forgiven.]Hebrews 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
It seems that you intentionally omitted part of the verse you referenced in a vain attempt to strengthen your argument.And you completely ignore that He (Jesus) was made to be sin that we might be made the righteousness of God. 2Cor 5:21
You're getting better. You shared the second to last verse of the chapter instead of the very last one.Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
King David himself admitted that he would be sent to Hell. (Psalm 16:10)
First off, the "us" and "we" in this verse was not a reference to all people everywhere, but rather to those "ambassadors" who had been given the "word of reconciliation" (2 Corinthians 5:19-20)
David hadn't "tasted" the Heavenly redemption... doesn't apply to him because he was hadn't been a "partaker of the Holy Ghost" through a born-again experience.For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6) (Bold and italics added)
What about those who commit the "unpardonable sin" mentioned by the Savior? The sin against the Holy Ghost that cannot be forgiven in this life or the next?
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Hmmmm.... no. This is a Messianic verse and nobody went to Heaven until Jesus Christ died for sins. He was in Paradise, or Abraham's bosom.
There are no "double indemnity". Either Jesus paid for all sins or he didn't
Hmmm.... no. This are the born-again believers, those who confess Jesus as Lord as did those who were in Paradise. They are new creations. Can't cherry pick verses.
David hadn't "tasted" the Heavenly redemption... doesn't apply to him because he was hadn't been a "partaker of the Holy Ghost" through a born-again experience.
Certainly not King David.
"As far as the East is from the West, so far has he placed my transgressions". King David was among those who Jesus led to God's presence when he took captivity captive.
Now... if YOU want to go to Hell for a season, be it unto you as you have believed.
Remember, the Jesus said to the thief "Today you will se me in Paradise" and not "Have you get roasted for a while, then we will catch up to each other in Paradise".
I think you have an improper viewpoint.That is all such silly nonsense if you stop to think about it properly.
I could say the same of you.I think you have an improper viewpoint.
The verse clearly states that the Lord would not "leave" his soul in Hell. That is true. He will not be "left" there. It is a temporary condition.10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
I am so glad that you understand that no one was able to enter "Heaven" until after the suffering, death and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.Hmmmm.... no. This is a Messianic verse and nobody went to Heaven until Jesus Christ died for sins. He was in Paradise, or Abraham's bosom.
It is true that Lord Jesus Christ suffered for the sins of all, but the scriptures also claim that Hell is a real place that actually exists and that there are certain spirits who will dwell there for a time.There are no "double indemnity". Either Jesus paid for all sins or he didn't
Not according to the verses in 2 Corinthians 5.Hmmm.... no. This are the born-again believers, those who confess Jesus as Lord as did those who were in Paradise. They are new creations. Can't cherry pick verses.
Are you trying to claim that the ancient followers of the Law of Moses did not receive redemption from the Fall?David hadn't "tasted" the Heavenly redemption... doesn't apply to him because he was hadn't been a "partaker of the Holy Ghost" through a born-again experience.
Rightly so, but he was just one step away from committing it.Certainly not King David.
The scripture you quote here doesn't support that argument."As far as the East is from the West, so far has he placed my transgressions". King David was among those who Jesus led to God's presence when he took captivity captive.
No, thanks.Now... if YOU want to go to Hell for a season, be it unto you as you have believed.
Do you somehow know all the sins committed by this thief?Remember, the Jesus said to the thief "Today you will se me in Paradise" and not "Have you get roasted for a while, then we will catch up to each other in Paradise".
I like answers in the Bible.Could it be a direction by which you can Discover the answer yourself?
I've only read a few of the comments between you and KenS and it is so painful!So people go up to heaven for a while and then come back to earth to reign? What's the point. And whatever you do be sure not to be MEEK for the Bible says the meek shall inherit the earth. And I guess I can't read very good because I still do not see where it specifically says anyone will go to heaven. In fact I see a verse that says NO MAN has ascended up to heaven. So I will need more help from you. Yes, "shall" is future but how and why are they in heaven now?