Who or what is being mindful?

[crossfire]

Anything that one can be mindful about or anything that can be grasped physically or mentally, is anatta. When all such graspable objects are discarded as anatta, what further?

Interesting how one can still cling to and crave that which cannot be grasped.

 

[wizanda]

Easy. If you're speaking of relative reality, it's you. If it's ultimate, there is no you.

It doesn't make any difference; we're not God incarnate... God can speak through/to us as well, so we're still able to hear from our soul, if we're mindful.

Having had a NDE, have experienced ultimate reality, and been in a place of pure consciousness, where all is One; within that the same things apply, the only difference is we can be conscious of the whole universe's feelings, and not just our own.

 

[atanu]

Interesting how one can still cling to and crave that which cannot be grasped.

Nihilism is far worse, IMO.

 

[crossfire]

Nihilism is far worse, IMO.

Just because something cannot be grasped doesn't mean there is nothing there. It just means "ungraspable."

 

[atanu]

Just because something cannot be grasped doesn't mean there is nothing there. It just means "ungraspable."

So referring to your previous post, I will say that understanding is not craving.

 

[Papoon]

Just because something cannot be grasped doesn't mean there is nothing there. It just means "ungraspable."

A lubricated goat for instance...

 

[atanu]

Life is lived.
Pleasure is enjoyed.
Pain is accepted.
Skill is developed.
Compassion is free flowing.
Questioning ceases.

That is fine, provided one is true to oneself.

On Internet, I find many asserting "I know it. There is no self". Or similar.

If I ask back "How and by whom it has been known?" And the weather often turns rough.

 

[Papoon]

That is fine, provided one is true to oneself.

On Internet, I find many asserting "I know it. There is no self". Or similar.

If I ask back "How and by whom it has been known?" And the weather often turns rough.

If you ask me, my answer is "who cares ?".
There is actually no need to grasp the lubricated goat, and no point in lubricating it.

 

[crossfire]

Anything that one can be mindful about or anything that can be grasped physically or mentally, is anatta. When all such graspable objects are discarded as anatta, what further?

Interesting how one can still cling to and crave that which cannot be grasped.

Nihilism is far worse, IMO.

Just because something cannot be grasped doesn't mean there is nothing there. It just means "ungraspable."

So referring to your previous post, I will say that understanding is not craving.

Referring to this whole line of reasoning:

Is equating

"understanding that which cannot be grasped as 'ungraspable'"
to
"nihilism"​

an indication of tanha/fiery craving?

 

[atanu]

If you ask me, my answer is "who cares ?".
There is actually no need to grasp the lubricated goat, and no point in lubricating it.

Obviously there are other views also.

I answered previously. Understanding is not grasping or clinging. Saying "I know I do not exist" is.

 

[crossfire]

I answered previously. Understanding is not grasping or clinging. Saying "I know I do not exist" is.

Is anyone here saying that?

 

[atanu]

Referring to this whole line of reasoning:

Is equating

"understanding that which cannot be grasped as 'ungraspable'"
to
"nihilism"​

an indication of tanha/fiery craving?

Ma'am I do not follow you. In your post 21, you suggested 'craving' in response to a post of mine. I assumed that you attributed a quality of craving to my line of questioning.

I do not know whether my assumption was correct or wrong.

 

[atanu]

Is anyone here saying that?

Then why the OP?

 

[crossfire]

Y


Then why the OP?

Don't know.

 

[atanu]

Don't know.

Ha ha.

 

[crossfire]

Ma'am I do not follow you. In your post 21, you suggested 'craving' in response to a post of mine. I assumed that you attributed a quality of craving to my line of questioning.

I do not know whether my assumption was correct or wrong.

Regarding these quotes:

Anything that one can be mindful about or anything that can be grasped physically or mentally, is anatta. When all such graspable objects are discarded as anatta, what further?

Interesting how one can still cling to and crave that which cannot be grasped.

This statement was a general statement. It was not necessarily about you. It was just an observation regarding craving something ungraspable.
However, isn't insisting on a "who" regarding something ungraspable one way of expressing clinging or craving? (It's not necessarily the question itself. It's the insistence that is more of a possible indicator, imo.)

 

[mystic64]

Interesting how one can still cling to and crave that which cannot be grasped.

If I knew, then I would be safe. If I knew, then I would have power and with power I would then be safe. If we could grasp that which can not be grasped we would then no longer be vulnerable. Balanced mindfullness takes us deep into the world of vunerable and deep into the world of power until one reaches the point where they choose the third option >